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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:16 am 
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Oh the irony.
If Andy McKay had played for Collingwood the feedback would be;

* Smart
* 7 years AFL experience
* Tough
* captained his club
* managed footy and a degree
* stood up to AFL re drafting accepted a fine
* serious management experience
* Cast the net wide

BECAUSE he played for Carlton
* old boys' club
* no experience in the role
* Ratten buddy
* no transparent interview process


So true.

I can't imagine that deep down anyone on this site really thinks that Andy Mckay wont do a great job for the club.

Some are just trying to be too smart for their own good.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:18 am 
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Well, to tell you the truth I have never met Andrew McKay personally but I have read about all that he has done.

Unlike many other posters who seem by their writing to know him personally, I dont.

So I guess for me, I will just wait and see

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:29 am 
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So what happened with Rod Austin?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:48 am 
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Andy was just on SEN, only heard the end part of the interview.
What i heard him say was the club was looking not only for success but for sustained success, similar to Geelong and Collingwood in recent times.
From what i can gather he doesnt practice as a Vet anymore as i heard him say that he isnt the only person to complete the degree and end up working in a different area.
KB asked him as a joke that can the players bring in their pets for him to look at. The AFL will probably take this seriously and monitor it for salary cap breaches.
The whole interview will be on the SEN website.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:51 am 
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CK95 wrote:
So what happened with Rod Austin?


He retired before 95, so was ineligible

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:53 am 
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club29 wrote:
choo wrote:
Oh the irony.
If Andy McKay had played for Collingwood the feedback would be;

* Smart
* 7 years AFL experience
* Tough
* captained his club
* managed footy and a degree
* stood up to AFL re drafting accepted a fine
* serious management experience
* Cast the net wide

BECAUSE he played for Carlton
* old boys' club
* no experience in the role
* Ratten buddy
* no transparent interview process


So true.

I can't imagine that deep down anyone on this site really thinks that Andy Mckay wont do a great job for the club.

Some are just trying to be too smart for their own good.



....and if he had still played for us, but been recruited as Op's manager by the Pies this board would be full of "wawawawa, why do Collingwood get all the best people""bloody traitor" "Swanny has dropped the ball, by not picking him up".

Can't win.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:20 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
CK95 wrote:
So what happened with Rod Austin?


He retired before 95, so was ineligible



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:37 pm 
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Hopefully McKay is a good asset to the club. Loved his attitude and commitment.
Mind you, there's nothing wrong with the supporters questioning the validity of appointments. It would be absolute ignorance to think appointments aren't made with agendas within football clubs. There's more politics, power plays and arse covering in footy clubs than anywhere else.
Plenty of coaches have put their own agendas ahead of footy clubs. Just look at Ross Lyon in 2011. There's plenty of kids deserving an opportunity at the saints but he put his own interests ahead of the clubs IMO. Not saying Ratten has but don't be stupid enough to think coaches don't do it.

Relying on club administrators and employees to do the right thing saw our club nearly go out of existence less than a decade again. The supporters have every right to question.

If McKay is the best, great. If he's not, we should always ask why we haven't sourced the best. If there's one thing we should learn from Dick Pratt, that's it.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:45 pm 
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You know what I find quite bemusing in all of this?

You have Mark Neeld, Brendan McCarthy, Scott Watters all start new senior coaching jobs. They all get interviewed and they all advise the interviewing panel of some of the staff they choose to surround themselves with if they get the job.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:03 pm 
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woof wrote:
You know what I find quite bemusing in all of this?

You have Mark Neeld, Brendan McCarthy, Scott Watters all start new senior coaching jobs. They all get interviewed and they all advise the interviewing panel of some of the staff they choose to surround themselves with if they get the job.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:52 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
So what happened with Rod Austin?


Some would say he was in charge of trade week. :grin:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:35 am 
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club29 wrote:
choo wrote:
Oh the irony.
If Andy McKay had played for Collingwood the feedback would be;

* Smart
* 7 years AFL experience
* Tough
* captained his club
* managed footy and a degree
* stood up to AFL re drafting accepted a fine
* serious management experience
* Cast the net wide

BECAUSE he played for Carlton
* old boys' club
* no experience in the role
* Ratten buddy
* no transparent interview process


So true.

I can't imagine that deep down anyone on this site really thinks that Andy Mckay wont do a great job for the club.

Some are just trying to be too smart for their own good.



actually noone is saying je will or wont do a good job individually.
But the influence on mateship from plajing together means ,,, either theyre gunna stay mates and not be independant.
Or when McKay breaks ranks on Ratten someday... (if he can) there will be tears.
Of course Ratten wont be coaching forever. Its doesnt happen.

So either youre not thinking the question through properly or youre deflecting

Icke had a problem with footy matters and was ignored for 2 years.
So are we surrounding ourselves with yes buddies here?
Thats the question!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:40 am 
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Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
choo wrote:
Oh the irony.
If Andy McKay had played for Collingwood the feedback would be;

* Smart
* 7 years AFL experience
* Tough
* captained his club
* managed footy and a degree
* stood up to AFL re drafting accepted a fine
* serious management experience
* Cast the net wide

BECAUSE he played for Carlton
* old boys' club
* no experience in the role
* Ratten buddy
* no transparent interview process


So true.

I can't imagine that deep down anyone on this site really thinks that Andy Mckay wont do a great job for the club.

Some are just trying to be too smart for their own good.



actually noone is saying je will or wont do a good job individually.
But the influence on mateship from plajing together means ,,, either theyre gunna stay mates and not be independant.
Or when McKay breaks ranks on Ratten someday... (if he can) there will be tears.
Of course Ratten wont be coaching forever. Its doesnt happen.

So either youre not thinking the question through properly or youre deflecting

Icke had a problem with footy matters and was ignored for 2 years.
So are we surrounding ourselves with yes buddies here?
Thats the question!

You have a very very simplistic view about professionalism and individuals capacity to see beyond what you call mates. You have been banging on about this for years. Give it a rest and let them work to the best of their ability, because it is about ability and potential and not about who is mates with who

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:49 am 
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Im glad you dont see it as a problem.
Footy clubs are fuelled by massive egos.
I believe ultimately it will be a disaster.

The president isnt strong enough .
The coach still hasnt convinced me.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:16 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
Football clubs are a strange lot ... we don't appoint someone for this job with a Sports Management degree but we do appoint a Veterinary Surgeon ... go figure.

You have to question whether any other Vet would get this job or any other job in the AFL if they were not a past player or had the right connections.

I would be curious to know how far we cast the net for this position.


Spare me please. Perhaps a guy with some on the job training and good old fashion street smarts, who has worked his way up through various positions in the AFL, is a better bet than a guy who has sat on his arse at University getting abit of paper to frame on his wall. I suspect a degree in Vet Science would be far harder to achieve than a degree in Sports Management. :roll: :roll:

Regards Cazzesman


And I suspect studying to be a brain surgeon would be far harder than studying to be a vet. Does that mean we should have scouted a brain surgeon who is also a past player. I don't understand what you are trying to point out here ??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

He would never have had the on the job training if he was not a past AFL footballer. My concern is around how far we actaully cast the net on this one. Is there a problem with questioning this ?

Football clubs most often appoint the "right bloke" instead of the "right employee". This is evidenced by the ever changing of personnel on a rapid basis.

I wish Andy all the best and I have no doubts he will try his best.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:43 am 
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Just pointing out dadadadada (and in no way contributing to your argument one way or another) because it may be of some interest. But if you ask doctors of almost any specialty they will almost certainly tell you brain surgery is in fact the easiest specialty in medicine. Just saying. Anyway, as you were.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:01 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Im glad you dont see it as a problem.
Footy clubs are fuelled by massive egos.
I believe ultimately it will be a disaster.

The president isnt strong enough .
The coach still hasnt convinced me.


The most successful businesses are full of massive egos.

Last I checked we were a kick away from the prelim with a team nobody rated prior to the 2011 season.

We've reviewed and made changes to our football department, including hiring a Northern Blues coach, who as far as I'm aware never played in the 95 premiership? Maybe people just need to get over the mates thing, and look at the credentials of the person. McKay was employed by the AFL for many years, even employed to work with fotball departments, funny that, obviously a dud choice.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:04 am 
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King Kenny wrote:
The most successful businesses are full of massive egos.

Yep, just look at the Catholic church.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:02 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Football clubs are a strange lot ... we don't appoint someone for this job with a Sports Management degree but we do appoint a Veterinary Surgeon ... go figure.

You have to question whether any other Vet would get this job or any other job in the AFL if they were not a past player or had the right connections.

I would be curious to know how far we cast the net for this position.


A sports management degree is about as difficult a qualification as a hair dressing certificate, minus the practical skills.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:12 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
Football clubs are a strange lot ... we don't appoint someone for this job with a Sports Management degree but we do appoint a Veterinary Surgeon ... go figure.

You have to question whether any other Vet would get this job or any other job in the AFL if they were not a past player or had the right connections.

I would be curious to know how far we cast the net for this position.


A sports management degree is about as difficult a qualification as a hair dressing certificate, minus the practical skills.



So, you wouldn't mind going to a vet for a haircut?

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