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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:17 pm 
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The most successful businesses are full of massive egos.

Yep, just look at the Catholic church.


I'm not even going to go there Dan :yikes:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:21 pm 
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actually noone is saying je will or wont do a good job individually.
But the influence on mateship from plajing together means ,,, either theyre gunna stay mates and not be independant.Or when McKay breaks ranks on Ratten someday... (if he can) there will be tears.
Of course Ratten wont be coaching forever. Its doesnt happen.

So either youre not thinking the question through properly or youre deflecting

Icke had a problem with footy matters and was ignored for 2 years.
So are we surrounding ourselves with yes buddies here?
Thats the question!



There is no reason why it can't be both.
There are many examples in business of friends being successful partners.
Both theses guys were leaders in a successful team, and whilst being enabled by Parkin,
the leadership group drove the players to win.
I have no problem with people questioning AM's ability;
what disturbs me is that he appears to come under more scurtiny because of his history.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:22 pm 
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Football clubs are a strange lot ... we don't appoint someone for this job with a Sports Management degree but we do appoint a Veterinary Surgeon ... go figure.

You have to question whether any other Vet would get this job or any other job in the AFL if they were not a past player or had the right connections.

I would be curious to know how far we cast the net for this position.


A sports management degree is about as difficult a qualification as a hair dressing certificate, minus the practical skills.



So, you wouldn't mind going to a vet for a haircut?


No problem for me. Vet's are quite handy with clippers, they have to be.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:51 pm 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
One clear advantage is an intimate knowledge of the corrupt match review panel findings and whether to appeal or not.

I bet we never appeal again........

Right Teaguey. I hope Andy gets to explain to us one day how in hell the match review panel decided to cite Juddy for the "pressure point infringement". Still mystifies me!


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:10 pm 
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Molly wrote:
Just pointing out dadadadada (and in no way contributing to your argument one way or another) because it may be of some interest. But if you ask doctors of almost any specialty they will almost certainly tell you brain surgery is in fact the easiest specialty in medicine. Just saying. Anyway, as you were.

Correct Molly. For example, paediatricians >> brain surgeons.

Hang on, now that I think about it, being a Paediatrician is not a whole lot different to being a Vet.

Except that when vets stuff up they don't get sued they just give you the business card of a good breeder so you can buy another one 


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:11 pm 
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Molly wrote:
Just pointing out dadadadada (and in no way contributing to your argument one way or another) because it may be of some interest. But if you ask doctors of almost any specialty they will almost certainly tell you brain surgery is in fact the easiest specialty in medicine. Just saying. Anyway, as you were.



Actually that's just complete and utter bullshit.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:22 pm 
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Getting Hyde and McKay.
Hardly know of either but from media reports over the years these could be two great appointments.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:21 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Molly wrote:
Just pointing out dadadadada (and in no way contributing to your argument one way or another) because it may be of some interest. But if you ask doctors of almost any specialty they will almost certainly tell you brain surgery is in fact the easiest specialty in medicine. Just saying. Anyway, as you were.



Actually that's just complete and utter bullshit.

Of course it is GWS

Do you only get your own tongue in cheek humour?

The whole point is that it doesn't matter whether your a vet or neurosurgeon or other medico or sports management graduate. It's irrelevant in regard to the current appointment, providing your smarts experience and CV justify the appointment. People are just making fun of the whole professional background issue.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:40 pm 
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Aren't Gary Pert and Eddie McGuire good mates?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:09 pm 
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Macca's been working at the AFL for the past 7 years, and has always been the consumate professional both during and after his playing days. I have no reason to doubt that he'll do a good job.
And for those worrying about a 'jobs for the boys' mentality at Carlton, wasnt Peter Dean overlooked for the Bullants job in favour of Robert Hyde ? Or was that just something that was conveniantly overlooked in the negative ramblings....

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:19 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Macca's been working at the AFL for the past 7 years, and has always been the consumate professional both during and after his playing days. I have no reason to doubt that he'll do a good job.
And for those worrying about a 'jobs for the boys' mentality at Carlton, wasnt Peter Dean overlooked for the Bullants job in favour of Robert Hyde ? Or was that just something that was conveniantly overlooked in the negative ramblings....



Perhaps....but how did PD get an interview? I'm looking to see where the position was advertised and it hasn't shown up yet. Was it actually advertised? Many coaching roles are advertised on AFLVICs website but I haven't seen anything of this one.
You dont know what will fall out of the tree if you dont shake it.
Lets hope the best people are being sourced instead of the best of a couple of candidates.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:58 pm 
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RickJ wrote:
Of course it is GWS

Do you only get your own tongue in cheek humor?


At 12:11am after a long dinner party with a few bottles of wine that'd be a fair summary... :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:45 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Macca's been working at the AFL for the past 7 years, and has always been the consumate professional both during and after his playing days. I have no reason to doubt that he'll do a good job.
And for those worrying about a 'jobs for the boys' mentality at Carlton, wasnt Peter Dean overlooked for the Bullants job in favour of Robert Hyde ? Or was that just something that was conveniantly overlooked in the negative ramblings....



Perhaps....but how did PD get an interview? I'm looking to see where the position was advertised and it hasn't shown up yet. Was it actually advertised? Many coaching roles are advertised on AFLVICs website but I haven't seen anything of this one.
You dont know what will fall out of the tree if you dont shake it.
Lets hope the best people are being sourced instead of the best of a couple of candidates.

Not all positions are advertised. My wife and I own a small business which she runs. We recently had a staff vacancy. Didn't advertise, but made our position known to some fellow traders (who we rate), and received recommendations on some likely types. Actually only spoke to one, and hired her. My wife didn't have the time or inclination to trawl through a stack of applications, most of whom wouldn't have come close.

So in effect our newest staff member was ''headhunted''. Word of mouth is the norm in country towns. Might seem unfair to some but then fairness can be a scarce commodity particularly in business. Oh, one golden rule we have is ''do not hire friends'', for obvious reasons.

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Top of the morning to you tommi. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:52 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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So true.

I can't imagine that deep down anyone on this site really thinks that Andy Mckay wont do a great job for the club.

Some are just trying to be too smart for their own good.



actually noone is saying je will or wont do a good job individually.
But the influence on mateship from plajing together means ,,, either theyre gunna stay mates and not be independant.
Or when McKay breaks ranks on Ratten someday... (if he can) there will be tears.
Of course Ratten wont be coaching forever. Its doesnt happen.

So either youre not thinking the question through properly or youre deflecting

Icke had a problem with footy matters and was ignored for 2 years.
So are we surrounding ourselves with yes buddies here?
Thats the question!


Proper mates are the ones you have a good enough relationship with so that they can actually tell you when you are being dill and get through differences of opinion when they inevitably arise. Yesmen come in all shapes and forms and not being a mate and/or ex-Carlton doesn't mean you aren't going to get one.
Do you seriously believe that if we are say, 2 wins 10 losses come round 12 next season that the hard call won't be made despite the contract.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:55 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Im glad you dont see it as a problem.
Footy clubs are fuelled by massive egos.
I believe ultimately it will be a disaster.

The president isnt strong enough .
The coach still hasnt convinced me.


Time for a sack Macca thread just for old times sake :lol:

At least "hasn't convinced" is an improvement on can't coach and never will be a coach :razz:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:59 pm 
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Was just on radio over here, and he sounded mighty impressive.


Will post a link for the a listen when AA put one up.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:02 pm 
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Was it handled by Cornes Snr? I find he goes into this hushed tone when he speaks on radio, like he's telling a filthy anecdote he's secretly proud of, but doesn't want his partner to hear.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:07 pm 
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Was it handled by Cornes Snr? I find he goes into this hushed tone when he speaks on radio, like he's telling a filthy anecdote he's secretly proud of, but doesn't want his partner to hear.


Yeah handled by Cornesy. Cornesy loves it when he interviews a Glenelg lad who's done well....

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