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Lethal says Blues should be patient
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Author:  Sugarcane [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:46 am ]
Post subject:  Lethal says Blues should be patient
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

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The premiers of the last three years, Collingwood, Geelong and Hawthorn, look to have this year's flag for the taking, but of the other clubs I see Carlton as best placed to be the next 'fresh' premiership winner.


Nice little article by Leigh however he doesn’t really talk about our deficiencies. Though I spose the article is mainly focussing the myth of super coach rather than a pinpoint examination of our list

I guess the big Qn the club must be asking itself, is do they think in time Kruezer/Hampson will become genuine quality forward threats?
Author:  SurreyBlue [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:48 am ]
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Quite a disappointing article actually. Nothing really new or innovating in that. Surprised by Leigh.
Author:  Sugarcane [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:57 am ]
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Really? I thought it was good.
First time I have read an article saying coaches are overrated... ??
I agree club should be patient, but with the same token Ratten must be held accountbale for certian things, such as our terrible kick ins this year evidenced last wekeend
Author:  Cazzesman [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:23 am ]
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Quite a disappointing article actually. Nothing really new or innovating in that. Surprised by Leigh.


What did you want to hear Surrey?

Regards Cazzesman
Author:  muzza [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:24 am ]
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Quite a disappointing article actually. Nothing really new or innovating in that. Surprised by Leigh.

Well he wouldn't have written it. Some little pimple faced journo on work experience at the AFL has thrown together a piece from some scraps Matthews wrote on the back of napkin while chowing down a Subway.

"How does that sound Mr Matthews"?
Er, do you have some stuff in there on Yarran going down back, and the Blues being crap for about ten years and are now moving up the ladder, errrr I mean in a forward trajectory"?
"Sure do Mr Matthews"
"Good. That will keep those feral masses happy"
Author:  london blue [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:29 am ]
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good article. we are making progress.

I'd extend ratts contract by 2 years, if you could package it to include the current assistants. they are all part of the journey
Author:  Donstuie [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:34 am ]
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It is true what he's saying though. We are getting impatient all of a sudden (I'm as guilty as anyone). Years of being laughed at mean we want to put those demons to rest once and for all, and we tend to forget just how quickly we've risen these past 3-4 years.

There are two reasons I think that exacerbate this impatience also:
1) The "after Juddy's gone" factor. The thought that once Juddy's gone, we'll have no-one to replace him. That none of his 'apprentices' will improve any further and we'll slide back down the ladder as a result. A common theory thrown around by BF/SEN flogs.
2) "Not Collingwood again". Would we be more patient if it were someone like the Dogs, Cats, or even Saints for that matter, teams that are in no danger of overtaking us, dominating the comp? The fact that it's Collingwood is infuriating enough on it's own, let alone them now sitting on 15 flags.

If these things were put out of our minds, we might be a tad more patient. But this of course isn't reality, we want a flag now to @#$%&! these @#$%&! flowers in their @#$%&! flowers.
Author:  Cazzesman [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:53 am ]
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Donstuie wrote:
1) The "after Juddy's gone" factor. The thought that once Juddy's gone, we'll have no-one to replace him. That none of his 'apprentices' will improve any further and we'll slide back down the ladder as a result. A common theory thrown around by BF/SEN flogs.


My argument would be along the lines of ....

Geelong without Ablett
WCE without Judd
Collingwood without Buckley etc, etc.

Teams move on as will we. SEN flogs will always be flogs regardless. :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

It is the quality of the bottom 6 players in your 22 that win you flags more than the top 6.

Regards Cazzesman
Author:  TheSwan [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:15 am ]
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Cazzesman wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
1) The "after Juddy's gone" factor. The thought that once Juddy's gone, we'll have no-one to replace him. That none of his 'apprentices' will improve any further and we'll slide back down the ladder as a result. A common theory thrown around by BF/SEN flogs.


My argument would be along the lines of ....

Geelong without Ablett
WCE without Judd
Collingwood without Buckley etc, etc.

Teams move on as will we. SEN flogs will always be flogs regardless. :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

It is the quality of the bottom 6 players in your 22 that win you flags more than the top 6.



Regards Cazzesman


Yep and the fact that the Saints got so close to winning a flag with the bottom 6 they have was an incredible effort. However, those bottom 6 were found out big time the week after.

Our bottom 6 is getting better every year.
Author:  Adelaide Blue [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:22 am ]
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Cazzesman wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
1) The "after Juddy's gone" factor. The thought that once Juddy's gone, we'll have no-one to replace him. That none of his 'apprentices' will improve any further and we'll slide back down the ladder as a result. A common theory thrown around by BF/SEN flogs.


My argument would be along the lines of ....

Geelong without Ablett
WCE without Judd
Collingwood without Buckley etc, etc.

Teams move on as will we. SEN flogs will always be flogs regardless. :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

It is the quality of the bottom 6 players in your 22 that win you flags more than the top 6.

Regards Cazzesman


THIS :thumbsup:
Author:  TruBlueBrad [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Lethal says Blues should be patient
Leigh Matthews is as relevant to todays football as Sheedy, Pagan and Parkin. He'd lost tough 5 years ago.
Author:  BigKev [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:09 pm ]
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Leigh Matthews is as relevant to todays football as Sheedy, Pagan and Parkin. He'd lost tough 5 years ago.


Disagree!!
Sheedy and Pagan ... meh ... but I reckon Parkin and Matthews are great analysts.
Author:  Megaman [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:19 pm ]
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Matthews as a special comments man would make the work experience kid sound like a genius
Author:  buzzaaaah [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:11 pm ]
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The best player of all time, one of the top 5 coaches of all time and people think they know more about the game than he does.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He may not watch every minute of every game but the guy knows the game.
Author:  Adelaide Blue [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:18 pm ]
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Matthews is past it.

There's a reason why there won't be any old coaches by 2012. They are all outdated and have opinions on the game that would be relevant if it was 1980.


Edit: Sheedy is an acception. He is starting the foundation of a new club which needs an experienced coach such as Sheeds.
Author:  muzza [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:29 pm ]
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buzzaaaah wrote:
The best player of all time, one of the top 5 coaches of all time and people think they know more about the game than he does.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He may not watch every minute of every game but the guy knows the game.

True. Then why doesn't he write something with substance?

The monkey on the space shuttle could have written that.

We are a culture of dumbing down and pandering to the masses.
Author:  buzzaaaah [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:05 pm ]
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I think it was a good article with an interesting perspective.

Remember that the audience of that article is fans of 17 clubs. It isn't aimed at Carlton fans only.

I think a coach of Matthew's standing saying that Ratten deserves a coaching contract extension even if Roos and Malthouse are available, is significant.
Author:  Big Kahuna Boot [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:12 pm ]
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Adelaide Blue wrote:
Matthews is past it.

There's a reason why there won't be any old coaches by 2012. They are all outdated and have opinions on the game that would be relevant if it was 1980.


Edit: Sheedy is an acception. He is starting the foundation of a new club which needs an experienced coach such as Sheeds.


..really..?.. ..if ol' Malty put his hand up, clubs would fall over themselves to get him.. ..conversely, there's been plenty of young/fresh coaches who weren't up to snuff no matter how 'current' they were..
Author:  Adelaide Blue [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:30 pm ]
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Adelaide Blue wrote:
Matthews is past it.

There's a reason why there won't be any old coaches by 2012. They are all outdated and have opinions on the game that would be relevant if it was 1980.


Edit: Sheedy is an acception. He is starting the foundation of a new club which needs an experienced coach such as Sheeds.


..really..?.. ..if ol' Malty put his hand up, clubs would fall over themselves to get him.. ..conversely, there's been plenty of young/fresh coaches who weren't up to snuff no matter how 'current' they were..


Ok, so lets look at the current coaches shall we?

Brad Scott, Chris Scott, Brett Ratten, John Worsfold, Mark Bickley, Todd Viney, Guy Mckenna, Mark Harvey, Alistair Clarkson, James Hird, Ross Lyon, Matthew Primus, Mick Malthouse, John Longmire, Damien Hardwick, Michael Voss and Paul Williams.

The two oldest? Malthouse and Lyon.

Malthouse is coaching no more from the end of the year.

That leaves a League of young coaches. (all except Sheedy and Lyon...if you call him old)
Author:  BigKev [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:32 pm ]
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So to those TCers who reckon Parkin and Matthews aren't worth listening to, who do you like? (or are they all idiots?)
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