When the roof is closed the Messiah's dad can't see the game and curses us with chewy on our boots.
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| Author: | Blues2005 [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
To further explore a point that has been made a couple of times in other threads, I thought that I'd start a thread focused solely on our apparent inaccuracy at Etihad Stadium...when the roof is closed! A look at our nine games at Etihad Stadium this season shows that in each of the six games in which the roof was closed, we kicked more behinds (often by some margin) than goals; but in each of the three games in which the roof was open, we kicked more goals than behinds! Closed Roof: R5 Carlton 11.19 (85) dftd Adelaide 12.7 (79) R7 St Kilda 12.9 (81) lost to Carlton 11.18 (84) R9 Carlton 14.16 (100) lost to Geelong 15.12 (102) R16 Western Bulldogs 14.12 (96) dftd Carlton 9.15 (69) R19 North Melbourne 9.8 (62) lost to Carlton 11.14 (80) R22 Carlton 8.18 (66) lost to Hawthorn 10.18 (78) Total: 64.100 (484) - 39% accuracy - not taking into account shots that went out on the full. Interestingly, apart from Hawthorn, each side kicked at better than 50% accuracy against us in these games. Open Roof: R12 Carlton 19.10 (124) dftd Brisbane Lions 9.9 (63) R13 Carlton 15.10 (100) dftd Sydney 3.1 4.3 4.4 10.6 (66) R14 Carlton 10.7 (67) lost to West Coast 15.13 (103) Total: 44.27 (291) - 62% accuracy - not taking into account shots that went out on the full. At the MCG: R1 Carlton 14.20 (104) dftd Richmond 13.6 (84) R3 Collingwood 15.12 (102) dftd Carlton 11.8 (74) R4 Carlton 11.13 (79) drew Essendon* 11.13 (79) R10 Melbourne 6.10 (46) lost to Carlton 13.15 (93) R15 Richmond 12.9 (81) lost to Carlton 28.16 (184) R17 Carlton 11.13 (79) lost to Collingwood 13.20 (98) R18 Essendon* 12.7 (79) lost to Carlton 24.9 (153) R20 Carlton 21.8 (134) dftd Melbourne 7.16 (58) Total (with game against St Kilda to come): 133.102 (900) - 57% accuracy - not taking into account shots that went out on the full. Which leaves us with: Indoors: 64.100 (484) - 39% accuracy Outdoors (with game against St Kilda to come): 177.129 (1191) - 58% So, although it would seem counter-intuitive, the stats clearly show that we have been considerably more accurate in the face of the elements outdoors than when operating under the more benign and predictable conditions indoors. It's hard to pinpoint exactly why. Thoughts? |
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| Author: | bosman [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
When the roof is closed the Messiah's dad can't see the game and curses us with chewy on our boots.
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| Author: | George Harris [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
I was thinking this myself about Etihad generally for us. But it seems it's more a "closed roof" thing. Meet Hawthorn at the G in the finals and we win. |
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
It's not just Etihad Rd 1 (MCG): 14.20 Rd 4 (MCG): 11.13 Rd 6 (SCG): 12.15 Rd 10 (MCG): 13.15 Rd 17 (MCG): 11.13 Rd 21 (Subi): 16.19 Our overall goalkicking percentage is 51%, which ranks 11th in the league (strangely WC are further down the list). Being under the roof seems to have an influence for some inexplicable reason, but on the whole poor kicking for goal is a deeper problem at the club than the venue, and has been for years. It's a definite concern, and when the review is done at the end of the year I rate goalkicking (along with our management of KPP's) as the most important thing to be addressed. |
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| Author: | missnaut [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
I'm not counting Rd 17 towards our inaccuracy as I am convinced the goal posts grew whenever we kicked for goal - wasn't it about 6 or 7 posters?  Our inaccuracy is definitely more obvious under the roof at Etihad though. As there are no conditions like sun and wind I wonder if it's something to do with the general atmospheric pressure - the ball may be heavier and slower in a closed stadium. I hope if we are playing a final at Etihad we do some training sessions there with the roof shut. |
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| Author: | smithy [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
or request they leave the bloody roof open. it is our home ground FFS |
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| Author: | Blues2005 [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
Donstuie wrote: It's not just Etihad Rd 1 (MCG): 14.20 Rd 4 (MCG): 11.13 Rd 6 (SCG): 12.15 Rd 10 (MCG): 13.15 Rd 17 (MCG): 11.13 Rd 21 (Subi): 16.19 Our overall goalkicking percentage is 51%, which ranks 11th in the league (strangely WC are further down the list). Being under the roof seems to have an influence for some inexplicable reason, but on the whole poor kicking for goal is a deeper problem at the club than the venue, and has been for years. It's a definite concern, and when the review is done at the end of the year I rate goalkicking (along with our management of KPP's) as the most important thing to be addressed. To counter that, though, we've had a 24.9 (73% accuracy), 21.8 (72%) and 28.16 (64%) at the MCG, so I would argue that it's been a case of swings and roundabouts at the MCG - some weeks we've been accurate, others inaccurate; as opposed to under the roof at Etihad where there is an obvious trend of inaccuracy. While I don't have the exact figure in front of me, I'd imagine that our 57% accuracy at the MCG is more or less in line with the AFL average. |
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| Author: | TheGame [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
Inaccuracy wasn't the reason we lost, the fact they kicked our ar$e in the first half is. Hawthorn think we're soft and believed if they play hard contested football we would fold and they were right. |
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| Author: | CarltonClem [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
TheGame wrote: Inaccuracy wasn't the reason we lost, the fact they kicked our ar$e in the first half is. Hawthorn think we're soft and believed if they play hard contested football we would fold and they were right. Yep, bruise free footy. |
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| Author: | Stone Free [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
Accuracy for goal is a reflection on accuracy of field kicking, which, let's be honest here, hasn't been one of our strong suits in recent times. |
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| Author: | Juddy&theKruezers [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
Reckon its to do with our fwd 50 entries....in a season where we have improved in a number of areas this one remains a weakness....whether Barker is the reason or our lack of big targets but we rarely look organized when we go inside 50.... |
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| Author: | RickJ [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
Excellent post Blues2005 with some quality stats. Thank you. I had assumed, paticularly after the North game when they flooded back and blocked the corridor, that we were just being forced wide. Our lack of a key goal square contested marking target, combined with the propensity of our marking forwards to be "on the lead" type players, meant that we were just taking shots from difficult angles in the pockets. Obviously it is easier to squeeze forwards wide at Etihad due to the confined space. However, your analysis of roof open vs roof closed scoring accuracy is baffling and suggests that the above is too simplistic and hard to explain. As a running side with good pace we clearly play better at the more spacious mcg as it is clearly easier to make space to hit leading targets in better position to shoot for goal. The roof open vs closed analysis defies logic and is almost certainly spurious. In any event our goal kicking from set shots is a worry and needs work, particularly given the perfect conditions at Etihad and that we play there a lot. Consider the vagaries of heavy ball, gusting winds, and other ground idiosyncracies that players of previous generations had to accommodate and it makes the current issue even more startling. There may be some validity to the concerns about how we set up and structure our forward 50 entries. We simply can't afford to be missing easy set shots in today's game. Captain obvious again I know |
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| Author: | woof [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
TheGame wrote: Inaccuracy wasn't the reason we lost, the fact they kicked our ar$e in the first half is. Hawthorn think we're soft and believed if they play hard contested football we would fold and they were right. AGAIN
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| Author: | bluechucky [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
I would normally say that accuracy depends on how deep our entries are into the forward fifty, whether the shots are set shots, frees or on the run, and the angle they are taken. They all have an impact, but when we are missing goals from set shots 10m directly in front, well.... |
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| Author: | Ads [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Etihad Stadium Inaccuracy |
Have sat behind the goals on level 1 at Etihad many times and there always seems to be a big back draft behind you and swirly wind. Is it possible these conditions up either end of the ground could have something to do with it? Albeit a minor thing. |
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