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Brereton says Hawks midfield bats deeper than ours
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Author:  Sugarcane [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Brereton says Hawks midfield bats deeper than ours
He was pretty adamant, arrogant about it actually

Never have been quite sure what 'bats deeper' means. I think it means they have more than us, but does it also mean quality? I mean, I don't consider Armfield to be a midfielder just yet (though it seems club are developing him that way), but I'd take him over Xavier Ellis in a heartbeat, for hardness, dash, and upside. Now I might not know the Hawks players as well as some, so pls fellow TCers feel free to adjust this list, but here's how I see the two midfield groups stacking up and in my view they are pretty much equal all up...

ELITE
Judd Hodge
Murphy

VERY GOOD
Scotland Mitchell
(soon to be) Gibbs Burgoyne

GRUNT
Carrazzo Lewis
Robinson Sewell
Curnow Ladson
Ellard
Mclean ??

RUN
Simpson Young
Bateman

UP AND COMING KIDS
Lucas Savage
Armfield Shiels
Collins Smith

TALLS WHO CAN PLAY MIDFIELD
Kruezer as RR Franklin

X FACTOR
Rioli

MORE FWD THAN TRUE MID
Houlihan Osborne
Author:  tommi [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:14 am ]
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Without...........

A DOUBT.......................with-OUT...........a doubt...........!

were his words if i remember correctly........!

vehement is a word that comes to mind.......!


kindest regards tommi
Author:  smithy [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:17 am ]
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brereton has truly lost the plot... did he say he thought lewis was an A grader?? , a slow turnover merchant... there midfield bats about as deep as the west indies without chris gayle, there is mitchell then there is hodge and rioli occasionally
Author:  kingkerna [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:30 am ]
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He might be correct, but we are playing well as a team, that's what counts
Author:  tommi [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:34 am ]
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Ya know........

it wasn't the fact he said Hawks may have a better
midfield...........it was the WAY he said it............!

a more rational person would have found argument
for either midfield.........!


kindest regards tommi
Author:  buzzaaaah [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:46 am ]
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Dermie is entitled to his opinion.
5 time day, 5 time night.

He is loyal to his club.

I'd be pissed off if Wayne Johnston or Jimmy Buckley didn't say the same thing about the carlton midfield.
Author:  Wangers [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:46 am ]
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kingkerna wrote:
He might be correct, but we are playing well as a team, that's what counts

^
Author:  The Normal One [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:55 am ]
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Garlett?
Yarran?
Russell?
Walker?

They can all run through the middle if needed.
Author:  Princes Park Whistler [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:05 pm ]
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For him to come out with this shows he clearly thinks we are a threat. Previously he wouldn`t even bother comparing us to his precious Hawks. So many commentators can`t get past their personal bias to give an honest assessment.
He`s about to discuss again on SEN.
Author:  Blue Vain [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:05 pm ]
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Hodge is a quality player but he is yet to become a reliable consistent midfielder. He body doesnt stand up to the rigours and his endurance is questionable.
He may be an A grade player but he's a B grade mid.

Mitchell however is definitely A grade. He is an elite user of the ball.
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:05 pm ]
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I think some of the botox must have been injected straight into Dermie's brain.

If he honestly thinks that, rather than saying it for controversy and media attention, then he's a massive knob-polisher.
Author:  dane [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:21 pm ]
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Isn't he the guy from Getaway?
Author:  Blue Vain [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:34 pm ]
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It's interesting hearing Dermotts analogy for a good midfield. He talks about throwing guys in the centre square and seeing who gets it out.
The reality is, Hawthorn dont have a 1st possession player in the AFLs top 20. Carlton have 2 (Hodge is the leagues 86th best player on average 1st clearances)
Hawthorn have 2 players in the AFLs top 80 for clearances. Carlton have 5.
Carlton are top 2 and top 4 for clearances as a team and first possessions respectively. Hawthorn are average.

Reality and statistics mean more than uninformed opinion.
Author:  Hotcox [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:37 pm ]
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He said Hawthorn have 6 A graders:

Hodge
Sewell
Mitchell
Bateman
Burgoyne
Rioli

Carlton on the other hand have three

Judd
Murphy
Gibbs

Rates everyone else as B graders or below including Scotland & Simpson
Author:  Princes Park Whistler [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:48 pm ]
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Blue Vain wrote:
It's interesting hearing Dermotts analogy for a good midfield. He talks about throwing guys in the centre square and seeing who gets it out.
The reality is, Hawthorn dont have a 1st possession player in the AFLs top 20. Carlton have 2 (Hodge is the leagues 86th best player on average 1st clearances)
Hawthorn have 2 players in the AFLs top 80 for clearances. Carlton have 5.
Carlton are top 2 and top 4 for clearances as a team and first possessions respectively. Hawthorn are average.

Reality and statistics mean more than uninformed opinion.
That`s an interesting read as Derm said it was just a simple fact (Hawks midfield better) to support his argument.
He drinks his own bath water.
Author:  Hornet [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:49 pm ]
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Hodge: A grade midfielder or a half back flanker that pinch hits in the middle? you be the judge...

Sewell and Bateman A graders? :lol:


Dermie claimed that Dustin Martin won't get any better earlier this year and the Richmond fans let him know all about it. He also said a few weeks back that Collingwood only fear Hawthorn and Adelaide... Dermie is great for a laugh.
Author:  GWS [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:16 pm ]
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Sounds like Mark Yeates has had another crack...
Author:  Donstuie [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:31 pm ]
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Derm's clearly not been let in on the conspiracy to make us lose ;)
Author:  bondiblue [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:37 pm ]
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smithy wrote:
brereton has truly lost the plot... did he say he thought lewis was an A grader?? , a slow turnover merchant... there midfield bats about as deep as the west indies without chris gayle, there is mitchell then there is hodge and rioli occasionally


If he did say that, yep, Dermie has lost the plot.
Author:  maxyblue [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:47 pm ]
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Dermie reckons Dustin Martin won't be an A grader cos his ass is too fat :sly: :roll:

It's natural to give premiership players a higher rating, and certainly dawk fans smugly believe they have the best 6-8 players in the comp!!

The stats quoted by BV are very comforting and indicative of reality v supposed potential.
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