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| Author: | darknavy [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
Will the 'prototype' be inducted into the Hall of fame this year or will he have to wait his turn. I think that Voss, Hird and Buckley also become eligible this year. |
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| Author: | AGRO [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
If Woewodin did the honourable thing and gave it back - there really would be nothing separating Voss, Buckley, Hird & Koutoufides as giants of the modern game. |
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| Author: | HTP [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
Well, except for premiership wins. |
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| Author: | darknavy [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
HTP wrote: Well, except for premiership wins. True - That means Buckley may miss out |
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| Author: | aramari [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
AGRO wrote: If Woewodin did the honourable thing and gave it back  - there really would be nothing separating Voss, Buckley, Hird & Koutoufides as giants of the modern game.I think that's overstating it. |
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| Author: | AGRO [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
aramari wrote: AGRO wrote: If Woewodin did the honourable thing and gave it back - there really would be nothing separating Voss, Buckley, Hird & Koutoufides as giants of the modern game. I think that's overstating it. Yeah you're right - I took the eye roll out. |
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| Author: | Pafloyul [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
IT! |
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| Author: | Captain Dan [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
Kouta won the MVP the year he missed out on the Brownlow anyway. |
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| Author: | Agro jr [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
Captain Dan wrote: Kouta won the MVP the year he missed out on the Brownlow anyway. and? |
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| Author: | AGRO [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
Agro jr wrote: Captain Dan wrote: Kouta won the MVP the year he missed out on the Brownlow anyway. and? Dont look at me I'm drinking a glass of water. |
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| Author: | Captain Dan [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
Ask the players which award they would rather win...one voted for by the umpires, or one voted for by your peers. It might not be as prestigious as the Brownlow...but the common view is the MVP or Leigh Matthews trophy yields more than the Brownlow in the eyes of the greater football community. |
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| Author: | bluedog [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/115925/default.aspx Quote: MODERN-day stars James Hird, Mark Ricciuto and Nathan Buckley have been inducted to the Australian football Hall of Fame.
The trio join peer Michael Voss, Tasmanian legend Horrie Gorringe and media pioneer Tony Charlton as the 2011 inductees. |
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| Author: | Blueboy74 [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
Captain Dan wrote: Ask the players which award they would rather win...one voted for by the umpires, or one voted for by your peers. It might not be as prestigious as the Brownlow...but the common view is the MVP or Leigh Matthews trophy yields more than the Brownlow in the eyes of the greater football community. So we were told all Summer. |
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
I'm disgusted that James wasn't given instant Legend status. |
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| Author: | moshe25 [ Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:01 am ] |
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I'm disgusted that Bucks is held in the same regard as Voss and Hird! |
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| Author: | darknavy [ Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
Probably fair enough on Hird and Voss - Premiership captains and Brownlow medalists. Riccuto 2 Flags a Brownlow and Club Captain as well. Buckley well if Gavin Brown is considered a Hall of Famer then I guess Nathan Buckley is the obligatory Collingwood hall of famer for this year. Kouta's time may come. |
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| Author: | aramari [ Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
The only HoF induction that has bothered me is Mark Bickley. Shocking call. Good ordinary player was a good leader but every team has one of him at any given time. |
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| Author: | Dirko [ Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:50 pm ] |
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aramari wrote: The only HoF induction that has bothered me is Mark Bickley. Shocking call. Good ordinary player was a good leader but every team has one of him at any given time. Don't worry we were shocked over here too....NFI on that inclusion 
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| Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
AGRO wrote: If Woewodin did the honourable thing and gave it back - there really would be nothing separating Voss, Buckley, Hird & Koutoufides as giants of the modern game. Voss, Buckley and Hird are all a fair way in front of Kouta. Then again I rate Ratts career higher than Kouta's. I look how often they were elite, and Kouta in 2000 was probably better than Voss, Buckley or Hird's best seasons. The bottom line is this Kouta was very good in 1995, pretty good in 1996, had rubbish 1997 & 98, even at one stage was going to be dropped. It was a move into defence which got him going again. He had a good/solid 1999 in defence, until he exploded in the last quarter of the Prelim moved into the middle. 2000 he was at his spectacular best, in 2001 he was more workmanlike but still elite, then he did his knee, he was never the same, merely good for the rest of his career. That is basically 2 elite years, the rest of them would number at least 8-10 when they were consistently excellent, week in week out. Take away your club bias, and you will see Kouta was a club champion but not a hall of famer. Watching the Blues my memory goes back 1990 or so (pretty much week in week out since 95) the best Carlton players ive seen (in order) Williams, Silvagni, Bradley and Kernahan. Those 4 are hall of famers (Juddy will get in when he retires and could move to 1 or 2 depending on what he achieves in coming years). I would put Ratts, Kouta, McKay & Peter Dean in the next rung down. |
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| Author: | Juanita Jones [ Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hall of fame tonight. - What chance Kouta? |
His father dying took away his focus from footy. Kouta was elite. |
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