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 Post subject: Round 5 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:32 pm 
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Pros

We won
Came back from 11 down

Cons

Goal kicking
Allowing oursleves to be 11 down

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:37 pm 
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Pros

4 points in the bank
Defence stood up led beuatifully by Jamison
Walker was very important esp that last goal of waites
Duigan
Ellard and Joseph made great cameos in the last

Cons

Betts and Garlett provided little pressure on Johncock et al running out
What to do with hampson. Can't drop him but he's a liability
Gibbs was off tonight
Umpiring was bewildering at times, but the Giesch will come out and say they were correct

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:39 pm 
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Round 5 Pros and Cons


There is a recurring theme this year with our beloved CFC. We dominate the play, the contested ball and the inside 50’s and manage to have no effect on the scoreboard, whilst the opposition has disproportionately high inside 50 to goal conversion.

It happened against Richmond, happened after Q1 against Essendon* and happened tonight, and it is a worrying trend. Thankfully, we found something at the end to take home the 4 points, but it should’ve been over long before.

PROS

1. Andrew Walker – I thought our best player tonight. Good pressure, good kicking and stuck one finally.

2. Ellard and Curnow – These guys put their head over and get the ball, something one of their high-drafted midfield friends could learn from.

3. Jamo – had a ripping game except for one clanger. Intercepted a lot of footy.

4. Simpson and Scotland – these guys are just consistent and honest week after week.

5. The move of Russel forward – If I’m gonna can the coach for some things (read on), I’ve gotta give him credit for this. Good move.

Special mentions to Murph and Yaz who were great

CONS

1. We had 22 I50’s in the second quarter and kicked one goal (after the siren). They had 10 I50’s and kicked 5 goals. If it was a one off, fine. But it is a recurring nightmare. Remember Richmond? This is a structural breakdown in our forward entries and the coach needs to take responsibility.

2. Bryce ‘fat side’ Gibbs – I kept an eye on Gibber tonight for some time. He spends so much time on the fat side of the ground, running away from the contest and it is an insult to his team mates. Bryce, we all love you – put your head over the fricken pill and earn some respect!

3. Our deep defence to long balls. Pump one in to the goalsquare against us and your key forwards will get hands to the ball. We are very fragile down back.

4. Decision making under pressure – I feel that when the heat gets turned on, like in last week’s Q4, we make poor decisions. Whether that reflects inexperience or a lack of structure in which the players are confident is open to interpretation, but I know which side of the argument I’m on.

5. Shaun Hampson forward – just ain’t working, but there’s not much we can do until Kreuz is back. He does ruck decently in his defence.

Good win but we made hard work of it. I feel like I’m saying that a bit lately.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:40 pm 
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Pros:

We won we looked gone which is always a good sign

Cons:

-Geez our fwd 50 entries are so disorganised. It is like we play tattslotto when we go forward i.e. hope for the 50/50 and when it hits the ground hope again for a crumber to pounce. There seems to be never enough space in our fwd 50...Barker has his work cut out....cuz at the moment we have improved in all other areas of the ground except this and this is crucial.....it will also improve our strike rate in front of goal....

-When you see Judds innacurate kicking on some occasions as occurred a few times tonight it certainly makes Carrots look super efficient (this may be a pro... :grin: )

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:47 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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-Geez our fwd 50 entries are so disorganised. It is like we play tattslotto when we go forward i.e. hope for the 50/50 and when it hits the ground hope again for a crumber to pounce. There seems to be never enough space in our fwd 50...Barker has his work cut out....cuz at the moment we have improved in all other areas of the ground except this and this is crucial.....it will also improve our strike rate in front of goal....



Hard to find a target and space when the Crows often had all 18 inside the F50. Added to that terrible disposal but space was at a premium.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:49 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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-Geez our fwd 50 entries are so disorganised. It is like we play tattslotto when we go forward i.e. hope for the 50/50 and when it hits the ground hope again for a crumber to pounce. There seems to be never enough space in our fwd 50...Barker has his work cut out....cuz at the moment we have improved in all other areas of the ground except this and this is crucial.....it will also improve our strike rate in front of goal....



Hard to find a target and space when the Crows often had all 18 inside the F50. Added to that terrible disposal but space was at a premium.

Regards Cazzesman

Gonna be less space at the SCG next week Cazz...we need to come up with something....

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:52 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
[Hard to find a target and space when the Crows often had all 18 inside the F50. Added to that terrible disposal but space was at a premium.

Regards Cazzesman

Gonna be less space at the SCG next week Cazz...we need to come up with something....


Kick over the congestion as our backs did to win the game.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:53 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Pros:

-Geez our fwd 50 entries are so disorganised. It is like we play tattslotto when we go forward i.e. hope for the 50/50 and when it hits the ground hope again for a crumber to pounce. There seems to be never enough space in our fwd 50...Barker has his work cut out....cuz at the moment we have improved in all other areas of the ground except this and this is crucial.....it will also improve our strike rate in front of goal....



Hard to find a target and space when the Crows often had all 18 inside the F50. Added to that terrible disposal but space was at a premium.

Regards Cazzesman

Gonna be less space at the SCG next week Cazz...we need to come up with something....


I think where we let ourselves down was not playing on quickly enough. Instead we went the other way of taking our time and switching play with the back wards kick. As Ratts just said on TV we got plenty of the ball and had plenty of shots on goal but our conversion was just woeful.

We are trying to go around the boundary abit like the Pies but that leads to shots on the angle. Crows clogged the corridor after 1/4 time so the options were limited. Just had to be patient and work doubly hard.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:55 pm 
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BlueMark wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
[Hard to find a target and space when the Crows often had all 18 inside the F50. Added to that terrible disposal but space was at a premium.

Regards Cazzesman

Gonna be less space at the SCG next week Cazz...we need to come up with something....


Kick over the congestion as our backs did to win the game.


We tried to kick over the congestion but we just kept kicking points.

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:06 pm 
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Pros... got out of jail.

Cons... GIBBS, the most selfish and pathetic game I've seen from him. I watched him very closely all game and it was like he was instructed to run (very meekly) away from the contest at all times.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:07 pm 
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Yeah well I blame Ratts Mr C :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:10 pm 
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Pros
- Walker being clinical up forward. Hope he can keep it up.
- Ellard and Curnow winning the inside footy
- Jamo very good

Cons
- disfunctional forward line.
- we need another quality defender other than Jamo.
- Gibbs.....needs to do more of what Ellard and Curnow do
- Carazzo doesn't do enough. Time to give Brock a run next week on the SCG.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:12 pm 
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When the cats played the flooding saints in round 1 Scott said in his 3 quarter time interview that there will be no easy shots and that you just have to get it inside 50 and back yourself to scrap enough score to win the game.

We actually created a high % of scoring shots with out inside 50's. A better % than them infact. We just didnt convert. Goals at the end of the first and early in the second would have killed the contest but through poor kicking and at times bad luck we just didnt get goals for our hard work. This was a massive CON.

A PRO was our fight. Making sure we walked off winners. If we can get that embedded in our culture we will be halfway there.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:16 pm 
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PROS
A win
Jamo is starting to get more attacking
Thought our rucks were okay
Murph may not be defensive but he gets to lots of contest, puts his head over the ball, and is not a receiver. (All the things Gibbs is not)
Waite played in front more
Yarran is a beautiful mover
Walker was good now he needs to be consistent
Simmo runs himself ragged

CONS
Ordinary against an inexperienced and ordinary Adelaide
Gibbs is so disappointing. Murphy was getting tagged 10 games into his career, and Yarran was tagged in his first game at half back, has any club ever bothered tagging Gibbs? Maybe the MC don't use him as an attacking midfielder because they can't get him to run hard enough or attack the contest fiercely enough. He is like an office worker, doing just enough to keep his job but absolutely nothing more. It is so disappointing for a guy with his talent. Plays loose man deep in defence and gets cheap possies, doesn't hurt the opposition and always assesses things before putting his head over the ball. He wants to watch how Simmo goes about it.

Backline looks undersized and we just don't have many alternatives for talls up forward.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:31 pm 
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Gerry not many teams have a ready made defensive option for a 200cm 100+ kg 1 grab marking forward. Charlie Dixon is already causing problems and he is only in his 5th game.

If Hampson could mark it more often and kick the goal we would have our own weapon. Perhaps when we get Special K back we might have our own similar weapon.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:36 pm 
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When is anyone going to give Laidler some credit? Very underrated player. Uses it well, rarely beaten one-on-one and reads the play well. What I like most about him is his discipline. NEVER gives away free kicks, something Bower needs to do. He and Duigan have improved our defence massively and freed up Jamo. He now has the support and is flourishing. Forward line is a bit thin but that will change with an in-form Hendo and Krooz returning.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:40 pm 
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Pros
Walker-loved his mark on half time.
Murphy
Duigan
Scotland
We won


Cons
Gibbs
Betts (again)
Our kicking for goal
No trains going through the loop on the Hurstbridge line. :banghead: :banghead:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:41 pm 
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When is anyone going to give Laidler some credit? Very underrated player. Uses it well, rarely beaten one-on-one and reads the play well. What I like most about him is his discipline. NEVER gives away free kicks, something Bower needs to do. He and Duigan have improved our defence massively and freed up Jamo. He now has the support and is flourishing. Forward line is a bit thin but that will change with an in-form Hendo and Krooz returning.

Didn't see Laidler's game tonight, but based on the season thus far I have to agree. If only he was a couple of inches taller and a bit more upper body strength.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:43 pm 
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Blues Forever wrote:
When is anyone going to give Laidler some credit? Very underrated player. Uses it well, rarely beaten one-on-one and reads the play well. What I like most about him is his discipline. NEVER gives away free kicks, something Bower needs to do. He and Duigan have improved our defence massively and freed up Jamo. He now has the support and is flourishing. Forward line is a bit thin but that will change with an in-form Hendo and Krooz returning.



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:57 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Gerry not many teams have a ready made defensive option for a 200cm 100+ kg 1 grab marking forward. Charlie Dixon is already causing problems and he is only in his 5th game.

If Hampson could mark it more often and kick the goal we would have our own weapon. Perhaps when we get Special K back we might have our own similar weapon.



Caz I think our backline is shaping well, and Watson is our future CHB who will take some of the big guys, but we are very undersized at present, and good sides often have two big forwards to counter -(Dawes Cloke, Reiwoldt Kosi, Roughie and Buddy) . Perhaps Setanta can be used in defence I always thought he was okay there and did alright on Pav and Travis Cloke and others in the past, although Ratts seems determined not to play him there. Jammo is not that tall but was good tonight. The other alternative is Waite to CHB but that would leave our forward line even more threadbare.

Hammo I think is a ruckman or nothing. He is just not a good overhead mark and if it hits the ground he is too awkward. He attracts a lot of criticism as a forward but I think it is unfair as he is just not a forward at all, especially as a long bomb target. If he has to go forward I'd like him to use his straight line pace to lead.

I too look forward to Big Ks return. He has a massive heart and is our future captain I reckon, but let's hope he is used sparingly and gently this year. I am interested in his next 200 games more than in what he does this season.


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