TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Round 1 SQUAD

curious to see what people rate as our starting 22
still early days i know
barring injuries and what not
i am hoping for a few debutants against richmond and the suns (ive put in a fair few but meh)
this is the list id like to see

FB: Laidler Jamo Scotland
CHB: Russell Watson Yarran
C: Gibbs McLean Murphy
CHF: Walker Hendo Simpson
FF: Garlett Waite OKeefe

Rucks: Kruezer Judd Lucas
Bench: Warnock Ellard Duigan (Sub: Betts to kick a bag in the last quarter)

Even after watching the pre season games the importance of our ball use and decision making is our biggest area of concern. We simply can't pick guys who make poor decisions under pressure and turn the ball over or miss targets. Based on that my side is:

B: Touhy Jamison. Duigan
HB: Yarran Bower. Laidler
C: Lucas. Gibbs. Simpson
HF: Houlihan. Henderson. Walker
F: Kruezer. Waite. Garlett
Foll: Warnock. Judd. Murphy
Int: Russell. Scotland. Ellard. Sub: Robinson

Hoping Kruezer and Hendo are fit but a worry. If not, Hampson & Setanta may come in. AJ and Armfield are good played but their disposal worries me. Watson will be pushing Duigan and Bower for a spot. Good thing is lots of guys should be pushing for spots!

Why wouldn't Houla be there if he's fit?
Have you forgotten how good he was last year before the injury?

Agree with your certainties Rhino (Walker maybe not). I'd add Carazzo, Scotland, Joseph and Garlett to that. If Garlett is fit he is a certainty to play. I don't think the rest of those guys missed a game last year when fit.

That leaves about 7 spots up for grabs - with Hendo another certainty if fit enough. Would be surprised if Lucas or Armfield missed too.

Joseph I reckon will start to become a matchups based inclusion. I can't see who he plays on against Richmond.

The Rhino wrote:

Joseph I reckon will start to become a matchups based inclusion. I can't see who he plays on against Richmond.

Cotchin.

Author:	Juddment Day [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:42 am ]
Post subject:	Round 1 SQUAD - Who's in your best 22?
curious to see what people rate as our starting 22 still early days i know barring injuries and what not i am hoping for a few debutants against richmond and the suns (ive put in a fair few but meh) this is the list id like to see FB: Laidler Jamo Scotland CHB: Russell Watson Yarran C: Gibbs McLean Murphy CHF: Walker Hendo Simpson FF: Garlett Waite OKeefe Rucks: Kruezer Judd Lucas Bench: Warnock Ellard Duigan (Sub: Betts to kick a bag in the last quarter)

Author:	The Rhino [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Round 1 SQUAD - Who's in your best 22?
Don't think there's such a thing as a best 22 in modern football any more, all things considered. Irrespective, I'd say the following is pencilled in already: B Jamison HB Bower Russell C Gibbs Simpson HF Waite F Betts Walker R Warnock Judd Murphy INT Leaving what I estimate to be 23 blokes battling it out for 11 spots for round 1. Armfield, Collins, Carrazzo, Davies, Duigan, Ellard, Garlett, Hampson, Henderson, Houlihan, Joseph, Kerr, Laidler, Lucas, McLean, o'hAilpin, Robinson, Scotland, Thornton, Watson, White, Yarran, Curnow. I reckon Garlett and Carrazzo are in, pending fitness. 21 guys, 9 spots. A lot pending on Henderson's fitness for round 1 (I assume he won't be ready?), which will probably give o'hAilpin a recall. That in itself, allows us a bit more flexibility for the second ruck role. Will Hampson be fit enough? Does Casboult come into calculations? Do we play White as a forward instead, and o'hAilpin as the supersub? Richmond don't have a lot of tall forwards to be concerned with either. Reckon Yarran, Lucas, Scotland, Armfield, Duigan and Laidler are all playing for the same spot, although I think throughout the season Lucas will be given a greater midfield role. Similiarly, Carrazzo, Ellard, Curnow, McLean and perhaps even Joseph depending on matchups looking for the one spot. Reckon it makes our depth look great when we play teams who don't require a lot of lockdown roles on, or on wet days at the MCG, similarly, it looks ordinary when we play teams who make us accountable or can expose us for pace. Bit worried about our tall forward options without Henderson, and hope that a few different options are trialled through the rest of the preseason. Thornton, White, Casboult all have a chance to sneak into a team that has few spots available.

Author:	sticksaftersiren87 [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:11 pm ]
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Agree with your certainties Rhino (Walker maybe not). I'd add Carazzo, Scotland, Joseph and Garlett to that. If Garlett is fit he is a certainty to play. I don't think the rest of those guys missed a game last year when fit. That leaves about 7 spots up for grabs - with Hendo another certainty if fit enough. Would be surprised if Lucas or Armfield missed too.

Author:	thegezman [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:31 pm ]
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Juddment Day wrote: curious to see what people rate as our starting 22 still early days i know barring injuries and what not i am hoping for a few debutants against richmond and the suns (ive put in a fair few but meh) this is the list id like to see FB: Laidler Jamo Scotland CHB: Russell Watson Yarran C: Gibbs McLean Murphy CHF: Walker Hendo Simpson FF: Garlett Waite OKeefe Rucks: Kruezer Judd Lucas Bench: Warnock Ellard Duigan (Sub: Betts to kick a bag in the last quarter) Okeefe to debut in the forward pocket? he's never played in the ones and didn't play last night - you didn't mean kerr did you? This is something like i'd like and expect to see in round 1 of the real stuff. FB: Bower Jamo Duigan CHB: Russell Watson Yarran C: Lucas Gibbs Simpson CHF: Betts Hendo Houlihan FF: Garlett Waite Walker Rucks: Warnock Judd Murphy Bench: Hampson Carrazzo McLean Scotland(sub) Emerginces: Ellard, Robinson, Laidler Inj: Kruzer Rotate the resting ruck through FF/FP and let Waite/Walks going on some probing leads. crap I forgot Army! maybe swap him for duigan. were are starting get some genuine depth it seems.

Author:	bluegirl72 [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:44 pm ]
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Why wouldn't Houla be there if he's fit? Have you forgotten how good he was last year before the injury?

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Author:	ThePsychologist [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:04 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Round 1 SQUAD - Who's in your best 22?
Even after watching the pre season games the importance of our ball use and decision making is our biggest area of concern. We simply can't pick guys who make poor decisions under pressure and turn the ball over or miss targets. Based on that my side is: B: Touhy Jamison. Duigan HB: Yarran Bower. Laidler C: Lucas. Gibbs. Simpson HF: Houlihan. Henderson. Walker F: Kruezer. Waite. Garlett Foll: Warnock. Judd. Murphy Int: Russell. Scotland. Ellard. Sub: Robinson Hoping Kruezer and Hendo are fit but a worry. If not, Hampson & Setanta may come in. AJ and Armfield are good played but their disposal worries me. Watson will be pushing Duigan and Bower for a spot. Good thing is lots of guys should be pushing for spots!

Author:	Rexy [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Round 1 SQUAD - Who's in your best 22?
ThePsychologist wrote: Even after watching the pre season games the importance of our ball use and decision making is our biggest area of concern. We simply can't pick guys who make poor decisions under pressure and turn the ball over or miss targets. Based on that my side is: B: Touhy Jamison. Duigan HB: Yarran Bower. Laidler C: Lucas. Gibbs. Simpson HF: Houlihan. Henderson. Walker F: Kruezer. Waite. Garlett Foll: Warnock. Judd. Murphy Int: Russell. Scotland. Ellard. Sub: Robinson Hoping Kruezer and Hendo are fit but a worry. If not, Hampson & Setanta may come in. AJ and Armfield are good played but their disposal worries me. Watson will be pushing Duigan and Bower for a spot. Good thing is lots of guys should be pushing for spots! I have a sneaking suspicion EDDIEBETTS will be in the first few picked for R1

Author:	Bomba Sheldon [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:52 pm ]
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B Yarran Jamo Bower HB Russell Watson Armfield C Lucas Gibbs Simpson HF Garlett Waite Laidler F Betts Walker Robinson R Warnock Judd Murphy I Hammer Scotland Ellard Sub Duigan Not considered due to injuries: Kreuzer, Hendo & Carrots

Author:	Juzzy [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Round 1 SQUAD - Who's in your best 22?
FB: Russell Jamison Watson HB: Laider Bower Yarran C: Simpson McLean Murphy FOL: Warnock Judd Gibbs HF: Walker Henderson Carrazzo FF: Garlett Waite Betts INT: Armfield, Scotland, Hampson EMG: Robinson Take Kruezer easy imo Ellard, Duigan, Cachia as top ups but this was very, very hard!

Author:	dannyboy [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:48 pm ]
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Watson Bower Army Laidler Waite Russell Garlett Gibbs Lucas Walker Hendo Houla Betts Kruise Kerr Warnock Judd Gibbs Murph Scotland Simmo Hammer.

Author:	bondiblue [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:17 pm ]
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bluegirl72 wrote: Why wouldn't Houla be there if he's fit? Have you forgotten how good he was last year before the injury? And the previous year too. He's got experience, class and skills over any newcomers...that's a big advantage regardless what you think of Houla. No doubt imo Houla will be selected if fit.

Author:	blue4 [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:31 pm ]
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Duigan not good enough Tuohy not good enough Jamison not good enough Like Walker in the forward line and hope he can shine - but don't think he is good enough either. B: Russell Bower Laidler HB: Yazz Watson Scotland C: Lucas Gibbs Simmo HF: Garlett Waite Houlihan F: Betts Kruise Kerr R: Warnock Judd Murphy IC: Hendo Walker Carrots E: Hamspon

Author:	aboynamedsue [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:32 pm ]
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Assuming Hendo & Garlett come up, but Kreuzer & Carrots do not - Armfield Jamo Watson JR Bower Laidler Yarran Simmo Judd Scotland Garlett Hendo Tex Betts Waite Warnock Gibbs Murphy Inter: Hammer, Hoops, Robbo/Ellard/Brock Sub: Lucas The choice between Robbo/Ellard/Brock for the spot off the bench as the hard inside mid is a tough one. I'd say these 3 are ahead of Cachia, Curnow & Twomey, and Robbo has his nose in front overall, but pre-season form will decide from here... I've got Lucas as my sub because he can play a few different roles and I think the sub spot probably suits a young developing player. You could easily swap Lucas with Watson or Yaz, depending on match-ups. Next few weeks will be interesting...

Author:	TheSwan [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Round 1 SQUAD - Who's in your best 22?
ThePsychologist wrote: Even after watching the pre season games the importance of our ball use and decision making is our biggest area of concern. We simply can't pick guys who make poor decisions under pressure and turn the ball over or miss targets. Based on that my side is: B: Touhy Jamison. Duigan HB: Yarran Bower. Laidler C: Lucas. Gibbs. Simpson HF: Houlihan. Henderson. Walker F: Kruezer. Waite. Garlett Foll: Warnock. Judd. Murphy Int: Russell. Scotland. Ellard. Sub: Robinson Hoping Kruezer and Hendo are fit but a worry. If not, Hampson & Setanta may come in. AJ and Armfield are good played but their disposal worries me. Watson will be pushing Duigan and Bower for a spot. Good thing is lots of guys should be pushing for spots! We can't have guys who make poor decisions under pressure and miss targets and based on that you choose Touhy? This confuses me. I love Robbo as the sub though! Anyway.. Duigen Jamison Russell Laidler Bower Yarran Carrazzo Judd Gibbs Houlihan Walker Simpson Betts Waite Hampson Warnock McLean Murphy Lucas Garlett Scotland (Robbo) Unfortunately Hendo probably wont play round 1. Would rather Walks/Waite as CHF then Ohailpin. Duigen or Joseph, I can't decide. Dont expecr Kreuzer back before round 10.

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Author:	The Rhino [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:34 pm ]
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote: Agree with your certainties Rhino (Walker maybe not). I'd add Carazzo, Scotland, Joseph and Garlett to that. If Garlett is fit he is a certainty to play. I don't think the rest of those guys missed a game last year when fit. That leaves about 7 spots up for grabs - with Hendo another certainty if fit enough. Would be surprised if Lucas or Armfield missed too. I reckon after making such a big effort to keep Walker during trade week, and now promoting his wares as a forward, there's no way in hell we'll start him off in the twos. Whether he's in our best 22 or whatever is another matter, but I'd bet vital organs he lines up against Richmond. I reckon Garlett and Carrazzo will play, but for the time being, we've shown that match practice/fitness is crucial for round one and won't be considered otherwise. Until they play some praccy matches, I wouldn't consider them certainties. Joseph I reckon will start to become a matchups based inclusion. I can't see who he plays on against Richmond. Scotland could be an interesting one. If the young blokes continue to put their hand up, I reckon it could be at the expense of Scotland, rightly or wrongly. Age isn't on his side all of a sudden.

Author:	Stefchook [ Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:47 am ]
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The Rhino wrote: Joseph I reckon will start to become a matchups based inclusion. I can't see who he plays on against Richmond. Cotchin.

Author:	club29 [ Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:00 am ]
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Stefchook wrote: The Rhino wrote: Joseph I reckon will start to become a matchups based inclusion. I can't see who he plays on against Richmond. Cotchin. The coaches spoke about how playing taggers throws out the zones and structures. I hope they have the courage to not play taggers and have the 18 Blues on field being one giant tagger that chokes the life out of the opposition.

Author:	MadBlue [ Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:07 am ]
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The more I see of Bower I don't think he's in our best 22.........