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why are we so hated, but not that we care.
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Author:  brazilbeliever [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:37 am ]
Post subject:  why are we so hated, but not that we care.
The other day I was looking at all the posts on BF and noticed that the Carlton board was way ahead than any other team (except North????) in total number of posts. I was pleasantly surprised by this for about a millisecond before I realised that even though we are one of the biggest, most successful clubs with a huge supporter base the numbers did not support the difference in posts. (around 240k difference over te filth board).

This titbit of information, the aftermath of the magnificent win by Juddstar on Monday, all the cr@p we faced with all the Fev incidents and the fact when he contiually continues to screw up more and the club is still linked with him in news articles even though he is not with us anymore!, the boozecruise, last years Brownlow ..... I could literally go on forever.

The simple fact is we are passionately hated by every other supporter in the league, the media and the AFL, not that we care .... WE ARE CARLTON ..... we actually take it with pride but being an avid BF reader (but not poster as I think they are all a bunch knuckle draggers over there) it does amaze me how hated we truly are.

What I would like is some theories as to why we are so hated.

Is it our success? I do not think so, the scum have 16 and are the media darlings, the filth have 14 probably 15 and again thier players can go around doing what they like and not get crucified by the media (Hurley incident comes to mind ... what a joke).

Is it the period of time we were thought of as the silvertails of the league, that period of the 80's-90's where champagne and premierships flowed freely and Carlton was the best at backroom deals?

The fact that we demand success and that to us there is no difference between second and last place ... FFS its still losing!

What surprises me is that even after a prolonged stay at the bottom of the ladder during our dark period (which again was the result of the actions of another long time detractor, the AFL). Not saying we did not get what was coming but that a whole lot of other clubs got the wet lettuce leaf treatment and we got raped like we were a nubile 18 y.o bending over to pick up the soap in a maximum security prison) we are probably hated more now than before?????.

So this thread is here to highlight some theories as to why we are so hated and to publicly acknowledge the double standards that seem to be evident between us and other clubs when being dealt with by the media and AFL
Author:  phoenix johnson [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:58 am ]
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Successful club who rubbed it in the faces of other clubs. We recruited the best players and had the best, and some times most famous and wealthiest, supporters.

Everyone was waiting for us to have a down period like we did in the early 00s and once we did, the AFL were always going to come down on us.
Author:  brazilbeliever [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:14 am ]
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Yeah I get all that but would you see the EPL crucify Manchester United or Liverpool the way the AFL did whilst leaving other 'big' clubs alone?

Its just stupid business practice to try and destroy one of your biggest assets in a time of expansion.

Also look at the filth and the Eddie show .... just as big a club as the Blues but the AFL and media cannot get enough of them ... look at the filth's draw FFS it was designed to give them the best chance of premiership success and revenue dollars.
Author:  phoenix johnson [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:32 am ]
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Make no mistake, if the AFL wanted us dead they would have killed us.

The AFL knows that a healthy competition includes a healthy Carlton so they did their very best to do everything but kill us. They left us hanging by the skin of our teeth.
Author:  Juddy&theKruezers [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:13 am ]
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Envy leads to hate....
Author:  Outback Blue [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:02 am ]
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Yes we are hated and loving it,,,,,,,,,

BUT

I still reckon Collingwood is the most hated club in the AFL.


Just take a look at todays GF, the only people who will be supporting Collingwood will be the Collingwood supporter.
Everyone else in the AFL world will be going for St.Kilda.
Author:  murraycray [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:19 am ]
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Outback Blue wrote:
Yes we are hated and loving it,,,,,,,,,

BUT

I still reckon Collingwood is the most hated club in the AFL.


Just take a look at todays GF, the only people who will be supporting Collingwood will be the Collingwood supporter.
Everyone else in the AFL world will be going for St.Kilda.

Um, no OB, my loathing of St Kilda is endless.
Author:  bluechucky [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:37 am ]
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I'm supporting neither, probably wont even watch it.
Author:  sinbagger [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:17 pm ]
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bluechucky wrote:
I'm supporting neither, probably wont even watch it.


I'll be traveling between islands in Thailand, glad I'll have no vision of either flower team winning...
Author:  Donstuie [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:22 pm ]
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- Decades of throwing money around for the best players
- "Stealing" Barassi
- George Harris
- Success
- John Elliott
- Media bias and prejudice
- An inept comms dept that can't cover things up like Essendon* or Collingwood
Author:  Peter Sherry [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:36 pm ]
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We were the best run club with the most money and the best players for a very long time. Every player in the AFL wanted to come to Csrlton, every coach wanted to coach us, every opposition supporter wanted to be one of us. We won and we won regularly and no matter what the position of the game we expected to win, and more often than not we did. When it was time to lay everything on the line we did and we succeeded. We were the main opposition to the AFL and its socilaist poilicies and they took great delight in bringing us down and changing the rules to stop us ascending once again. New rules and regulations required new thinking and approaches and that took us a while to come to grips with but we've finally started to appreciate and use the rules. The AFL might not like it but we are on the march and with every year we are learning and developing a new team under their rules and soon they will hear that mighty roar as the blues voices comes to the fore.
Author:  brazilbeliever [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:57 am ]
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Peter Sherry wrote:
We were the best run club with the most money and the best players for a very long time. Every player in the AFL wanted to come to Csrlton, every coach wanted to coach us, every opposition supporter wanted to be one of us. We won and we won regularly and no matter what the position of the game we expected to win, and more often than not we did. When it was time to lay everything on the line we did and we succeeded. We were the main opposition to the AFL and its socilaist poilicies and they took great delight in bringing us down and changing the rules to stop us ascending once again. New rules and regulations required new thinking and approaches and that took us a while to come to grips with but we've finally started to appreciate and use the rules. The AFL might not like it but we are on the march and with every year we are learning and developing a new team under their rules and soon they will hear that mighty roar as the blues voices comes to the fore.


yeah I think the AFL went overboard big time in thier payback. Considering we are a cornerstone of the competition and "other" cornerstones were beaten with feather dusters for almost if not the same thing ..... God help the AFL when we get our dues.
Author:  isdonis.george [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:27 pm ]
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Evans was trying to curry favour back at Essedon after President David Shaw unfairly carried the can for slary cap breaches and resigned. Evans was President before Shaw and may have been due for some of the can. The rancour is still there at Essedon. And the Evans dynasty rolls on.
If you saw Evans' body language on TV when he announced Carlton's draconian penalties – it was personal.
JE's baiting of the Commission had a bit to do with it.
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