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Author:  Virgin Blue [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
Here are the players who played in R2 of the finals for Blues and Swans, and the R1 Pies team

Would say not a great deal of difference in terms of age brackets/experience and yet Pies light years ahead of us in 2010 ???


Bolton, 256
Richards, 132
Malceski, 91
Goodes, 275
McVeigh, 146
Kirk, 240
Kennelly, 177
Mattner, 166
O'Keefe, 208
Shaw, 138
Bevan, 122

Grundy, 69
Jack, 70
Moore, 64

Kennedy, 36
Hannebery, 27
Smith, 28
Jetta, 19
Pyke, 25
White, 40
Mumford, 41

Dennis-Lane, 7








Judd, 198
Carrazzo, 122
Russell, 93
Murphy, 102
Scotland, 199
Simpson, 133
Gibbs, 89
Walker, 103
Betts, 120
Waite, 131

Jamison, 57
Hadley, 66
Bower, 57

Armfield, 45
Warnock, 33
Joseph 45
Garlett, 30
Jacobs, 17
Robinson, 26
Henderson, 19

Ellard, 8
Davies, 5




Swan, 148
Thomas, 108
Johnson, 205
Pendlebury, 99
Maxwell, 137
Ball, 163
Didak, 179
Shaw, 112
Cloke, 121
Jolly, 189
Brown, 220
O'Brien, 108
Davis, 203

Toovey, 64

Sidebottom, 33
Dawes, 27
Macaffer, 23
Brown, 47
Wellingham, 49
Beams, 40
Reid, 26

Blair, 9
Author:  dane [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
That makes no sense.
What are the brackets?
What are you talking about?
What is the point of this thread?
Author:  club29 [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
I am lost.

i just go to footywire for these sorts of things.

we are a very young team. a fair bit younger than any other team that made the finals.
Author:  Wojee [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
I'm with dane, a simple list of players and their games played means nothing to me.
Author:  dannyboy [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:46 pm ]
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Swans total games 2377 = 108 average games per player

Collingwood 2310 = 105

Carlton 1698 = 77 games average.
Author:  dane [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
dannyboy wrote:
Swans total games 2377 = 108 average games per player

Collingwood 2310 = 105

Carlton 1698 = 77 games average.


So Sydney should win the premiership this year yeah?
Author:  Lurker Blue [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
Virgin Blue wrote:
Would say not a great deal of difference in terms of age brackets/experience and yet Pies light years ahead of us in 2010 ???

I'd say there's a pretty big difference.

Using your numbers:

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So on average 31 games per player behind the Swans, and 28 behind the Filth; that puts us about two seasons behind them.

The big difference is our lack of veteran players. The Swans have 6 players with more than 150 games, the Filth also have 6, we only have 2.

Of course these numbers only indicate the experience of the players, not their quality.
Author:  Wojee [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:16 pm ]
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Lurker Blue wrote:
Of course these numbers only indicate the experience of the players, not their quality.


The flipside to that being that not many poor players get to 150+ games.
Author:  dannyboy [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
dane wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Swans total games 2377 = 108 average games per player

Collingwood 2310 = 105

Carlton 1698 = 77 games average.


So Sydney should win the premiership this year yeah?


no smart-arse, :grin: but it does show why they have been able to inject some youth and climb back into finals quickly.

Its what many don't understand about our predicament and what's meant by 'we are coming from a long way back'.
Author:  Juddy&theKruezers [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
dannyboy wrote:
dane wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Swans total games 2377 = 108 average games per player

Collingwood 2310 = 105

Carlton 1698 = 77 games average.


So Sydney should win the premiership this year yeah?


no smart-arse, :grin: but it does show why they have been able to inject some youth and climb back into finals quickly.

Its what many don't understand about our predicament and what's meant by 'we are coming from a long way back'.


so if we could inject some experience this trade period you could say we would be reducing this gap quicker....maybe that's what the MC have in mind....
Author:  dannyboy [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:06 pm ]
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or we try a little patience and let the group grow.
Author:  HELLAS BLUE [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
dannyboy wrote:
or we try a little patience and let the group grow.


Nup, that would be a little too intelligent!! :lol:
Author:  Hotcox [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:13 pm ]
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Scotland and Juddy to play there 200ths early next year.
Author:  dane [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
Hotcox wrote:
Scotland and Juddy to play there 200ths early next year.



Are they in a different bracket then?
I am so confused!
Author:  dadadadada [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
You also need to look at the maturity of the players. Many of the Collingwood 50 to 100 gamers started their playing alongside mature leaders in Buckley, Burns and Clements. I was at a recent Australian Football Coaches Association dinner and guest speaker was Paul Hudson (assistant coach of Collingwood). He said the acquisition of Jolley and Ball was a tremendous boost to them not only from a playing sense but also from what they bought to the playing group with their maturity as men. Sydney likewise have some great leaders and it helps to tie the group together.

We on the other hand have the likes of Houlihan who wants to fight in his jocks in a hotel hallway. Our 50 to 100 gamers started with the likes of Lance and Fev. Get my point.

I would rather we bide our time, grow as a group and head to a new era.
Author:  Blueboy74 [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
dadadadada wrote:
You also need to look at the maturity of the players. Many of the Collingwood 50 to 100 gamers started their playing alongside mature leaders in Buckley, Burns and Clements. I was at a recent Australian Football Coaches Association dinner and guest speaker was Paul Hudson (assistant coach of Collingwood). He said the acquisition of Jolley and Ball was a tremendous boost to them not only from a playing sense but also from what they bought to the playing group with their maturity as men. Sydney likewise have some great leaders and it helps to tie the group together.

We on the other hand have the likes of Houlihan who wants to fight in his jocks in a hotel hallway. Our 50 to 100 gamers started with the likes of Lance and Fev. Get my point.

I would rather we bide our time, grow as a group and head to a new era.



Agree. But is leadership, born or taught? Bit of both perhaps. Wouldn't hurt to have a few more 'leaders' around the place taking our young guys through. Dr Sherrin, I think mentioned that part of the obsession with Pavlich was his leadership qualities that he'll be able to pass on.

Excellent point about who our young players have played under. Been a problem all through the last decade, once Ratten, Sexton, Dean McKay, SOS, Hicky etc all disappered. Allan, Campo, Murphy.J, Beaumont, Stevens, Fev, Lance became our leaders.

So many of our young players look promising early, but never really took that next step. Who knows how good Houlihan could have been with more intensity and desire, why did Hawthorn offer 2 second round draft picks for a defender we are about to delist? Why does AW look no more comftable on a football field than he did 100 games ago?

Even looking at the senior guys now we have Scotland has been in plenty of trouble of the years, and listening to Waite playing up the role of the junk food eating, Playstation playing sloth on the radio podcasts questions whether or not he is a true leader. All outside perspective of course. Maybe I'm getting old?.....

Regardless of the statistics we are still a young side, as much as everyone hates Ratten trotting it out as an excuse.

Clearly the least experienced side in the finals, and comparable in many weeks during the year with the likes of Richmond, Melbourne and Fremantle.

Average age will probably reduce as well due to the fact that Tiller would be our only youngster delisted (O'Keefe and Austin perhaps, but I'd like them to get another year). Wiggins is gone and guys such as Hadley, Johnson, Thornton, O'hAilpin, Fisher, and Walker (all 24-28) are probable outs.

Despite this my gut feel from those with a short attention span in the greater football world, ie the SEN's, BigFooty's, Herald Sun's perspective this off-season will be that our time has run out and we'll be overtaken by the likes of Melbourne, Richmond, and even Nth Melbourne.

Adelaide will ride the Tippett, Dangerfield, young player ticket. Port won 5 of their last 7, and if Essendon* can get Hird or Williams as coach the Herald Sun will produce a special commerative edition purely dedicated to their resurgence.

Top 4 all still made the top 4, Sydney never bottom out, Fremantle are on the way up, and the Hawks with 2008 as their fallback will never be written off. Only Brisbane and WC will probably be perceived as worse off.

It's a big season for our off-field team to first recover the lost members from last season, and secondly to sell 2011 despite slightly slipping backwards onfield this year.

We all know the scope for improvement, we all know that the core of most great sides are aged between 24-28, we all know what an uninteruptd presason will do for the likes of Henderson, Yarran and co. but it will take more than a corny slogan to sell that to the 'whose going to kick the goals now' brigade who believe everything they read and hear.
Author:  tommi [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:15 am ]
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dannyboy wrote:
or we try a little patience and let the group grow.





I LOVE that song...........!


kindest regards tommi
Author:  yarak [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
Saw the 2005 semi final on fox the other day. The game when Nick Davis kicked 4 goals in the final quarter to get the swans over the line. The Cats of then reminded me of our current squad. Young, talented and heaps of promise but lacked experience. They had some decent young players back then, up and comers, G.Ablett, Bartel, Mackie, Stevie J....Just didn't have the experience to get them over the line. Look at the Cats now, particularly those players. All 'A GRADERS' I'd say we are about 2-3 seasons away from total domination, lets not take short cuts by drafting older players. Our time will come!
Author:  Juzzy [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:44 am ]
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dane wrote:
That makes no sense.
What are the brackets?
What are you talking about?
What is the point of this thread?


Worst post
Author:  Rhys26 [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Swans, Blues, Pies Age Differences
dane wrote:
That makes no sense.
What are the brackets?
What are you talking about?
What is the point of this thread?


Not as pointless as your threads
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