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Rookies on le UP 2011
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Author:  Orangewhip [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Rookies on le UP 2011
Ellard and White will go senior list, one would think.

Dare?

Casboult?

Cachia?

Tuohy?

Donaldson?


Tuohy needs another year. As does Casboult. But we've got a good bunch there, can see more good reasons for keeping Dare, Donaldson and Cachia than letting them slip. Depends obviously on what's on offer when the time comes but as a solid micro-group- some gaining invaluable club experience with the Bullants- there's certainly some talent there.
Author:  Shimmer [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
Tuohy and Casboult are the closest to elevation. I would love to see them elevated immediately. Especially Tuohy.
Author:  ThePsychologist [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
Ellard has to as he has spent three years as a rookie.

The rest can have at least another year as rookies and I would expect them to stay there. We will have two nominated rookie spots available next year. No need to promote anyone until we see how they perform over the pre season and the early part of the year.

Expect to see Tiller de listed and retained as a rookie.
Author:  Crusader [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
Shimmer wrote:
Tuohy and Casboult are the closest to elevation. I would love to see them elevated immediately. Especially Tuohy.

Closer than Garlett (19 senior games), Ellard (7) or White (6)?

We've already signed Jeff Garlett, so that's one elevation.
Ellard has to be promoted or let go as his three years are up, so that's two.

Still no veterans on the list (next year is Waite's 10th at the club, but he won't turn 30 until 2013) so we get to play the extra nominated rookie.... is that right? It's open slather afther the half way point, so we probably won't need to exercise the option.

If so, we get to pay another year of slave wages to White but, we'll have to move him up (or out) after that.... Touhy was an International Rookie, so that's a different list... Labi was a Scholarship player, so different again.

Cachia, Casboult, Dare and Donaldson are all first year rookies, fresh out of the U18s. So, assuming that they're better than the next crop, we get first dibs at their services next year.

Credit where its due, if the Bullants thread is any indication, all of our rookies will represent great value as a late round draft choice in 2012... The club has done an excellent job in managing these years of compromised drafts.

Good thing the AFL gave us the additional experience...
Author:  jimmae [ Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
I must have said this a dozen times now, but it's important to remember that only 3 rookies can be retained on the rookie list for a second year, with the exception of international rookies who are maintained on a separate list.

If they're not elevated or in that group of 3 after year 1, they have to be de-listed. From there it gets a bit murky (and Cazz should confirm this) but I believe player and club then have the option of pre-listing the player on their rookie list, with the paperwork being submitted prior to the pre-season and rookie drafts (i.e. they have to be undrafted in the national draft first).

Once they clear the pre-season draft, we are locked in to select them with our latest possible pick. This is how Jacobs spent a third year on the rookie list, and how Pfeiffer went onto the rookie list.
Author:  Peter Sherry [ Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
A lot will depend upon the list review, the cuts made to the senior list, and the recruiters review of the draft. Perhaps with a compromised draft the club may think that a 3rd or 4th round draft pick is not better than what they currently have as rookies and elevate Ellard and Garlett then look at White and the other rookies and go with minimal draft picks. If they were to elevate more than 2 ie White then the MC would need to cut a little deeper into the current list so we had some draft picks up to round 3.

Could the club cut some of the players who although good clubmen are just not going to demand a regular senior spot? By my calculations that may be up to 7 or 8 players. Obviously a cut of 7-8 would give the MC a lot of options but we may need to retain that depth. Certainly the trade market may also determine the fate of some players. Would you give up a player say a ruckman for another early draft pick or a player plus a 2nd round pick for a KP defender? Would another club give up a 2nd round draft pick for Thornton or could we do a player swap for a midfielder or forward?
Author:  bondiblue [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
jimmae wrote:
I must have said this a dozen times now, but it's important to remember that only 3 rookies can be retained on the rookie list for a second year, with the exception of international rookies who are maintained on a separate list.

If they're not elevated or in that group of 3 after year 1, they have to be de-listed. From there it gets a bit murky (and Cazz should confirm this) but I believe player and club then have the option of pre-listing the player on their rookie list, with the paperwork being submitted prior to the pre-season and rookie drafts (i.e. they have to be undrafted in the national draft first).

Once they clear the pre-season draft, we are locked in to select them with our latest possible pick. This is how Jacobs spent a third year on the rookie list, and how Pfeiffer went onto the rookie list.



Excuse my ignorance then.

I didn't know only 3 rookies can be retained for 2 years and others are only 1 year.
I still don't think it's correct that if we had 6 rookies then 3 of them would only remain on the rookie list for a max 1 year.

I did know about the 3 years International rookies get.
I understand the Jacobs 3rd year scenario and how we were vulnerable to lose him in that draft.
I also know that in the dark years when we were broke, we couldn't afford to take on more rookies which we were entitled to.
Author:  Blue Vain [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
jimmae wrote:
I must have said this a dozen times now,



Not well enough, obviously. :razz:
Author:  blue4 [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
Rookie liist maintenance is confusing - perhaps this will shed some light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie_list
Author:  blue4 [ Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
Dare Casbaoult & Cachia to stay...
Author:  beowulf [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
If we can only keep 3 guys as rookies, then Dare, Casboult and Cachia will probably be it. Donaldson may be redrafted: he hasn't had much of a run this year with injury as much as anything. He CAN be delisted and then redrafted.

Tiller may end up as a rookie: he hasn't shown enough to be kept on, but he is very young. I can see him being redrafted as a rookie.
Questions will also be raised about O'Keefe, depending on his injury status and prospects. If he can get on the field, he'd be a potential senior player sooner than most. But if his back is no good...
Author:  Shimmer [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rookies on le UP 2011
Crusader wrote:
Shimmer wrote:
Tuohy and Casboult are the closest to elevation. I would love to see them elevated immediately. Especially Tuohy.

Closer than Garlett (19 senior games), Ellard (7) or White (6)?



Like the original poster said with assuming Ellard and White going onto the senior list, the next two IMO would be Tuohy and Casboult. Makes sense. Casboult will probably take longer because of his size he'll need to develop. Tuohy deserves a go.
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