TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Fully INDEPENDENT review required

With a poor 2010 membership level and a clear disengagement with grassroots supporters/members, it's time for change at Carlton.

The old school approach by Kernahan & Coutts in particular is outdated and they both need to be moved on.

A new President should immediately engage an appropriate independent firm (not Vossy :wink:

) to review its operations and advise on measures that brings Carlton into the modern age and re-engages it with its supporters/members new and old.

No more 'shifty inhouse Carlton' which takes it grassroots for granted. That 'Carlton' has turned too many people away.

I want to become a member again in 2011, but not until I see a REAL change in attitude at Carlton.

i reckon we should get the best president in the galaxy.

budzy wrote:

Don't become a member then. We're heading in the right direction and it's time so called supporters stopped bagging and started supporting. We need stability not bloodletting which you are promoting.

i reckon we should get the best president in the galaxy.

I'd also scrutinise the medical and physio staff based on the number of players who seem to be continually playing through niggles week in week out.

It is threads like this that remind me why I've stayed away from TC for much of the year

Molly wrote:

It is threads like this that remind me why I've stayed away from TC for much of the year

Yeah but Molly wasn't talking players closed down with your recommendation and you didn't really post anyway after that? It seems you don't like the way things are around here yet when things are changed to suit you you don't post anyway. Also there was no need to open the thread if you didn't like it, the title was pretty self explanatory.

Author:	budzy [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:11 am ]
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With a poor 2010 membership level and a clear disengagement with grassroots supporters/members, it's time for change at Carlton. The old school approach by Kernahan & Coutts in particular is outdated and they both need to be moved on. A new President should immediately engage an appropriate independent firm (not Vossy ) to review its operations and advise on measures that brings Carlton into the modern age and re-engages it with its supporters/members new and old. No more 'shifty inhouse Carlton' which takes it grassroots for granted. That 'Carlton' has turned too many people away. I want to become a member again in 2011, but not until I see a REAL change in attitude at Carlton.

Author:	bax [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:27 am ]
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budzy wrote: With a poor 2010 membership level and a clear disengagement with grassroots supporters/members, it's time for change at Carlton. The old school approach by Kernahan & Coutts in particular is outdated and they both need to be moved on. A new President should immediately engage an appropriate independent firm (not Vossy ) to review its operations and advise on measures that brings Carlton into the modern age and re-engages it with its supporters/members new and old. No more 'shifty inhouse Carlton' which takes it grassroots for granted. That 'Carlton' has turned too many people away. I want to become a member again in 2011, but not until I see a REAL change in attitude at Carlton. Don't become a member then. We're heading in the right direction and it's time so called supporters stopped bagging and started supporting. We need stability not bloodletting which you are promoting.

Author:	waldo1948 [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:52 am ]
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Can I get some of what you are smoking, it must be nice to be in cloud cuckoo land all the time.

Author:	club29 [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:57 am ]
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i reckon we should get the best president in the galaxy.

Author:	Megaman [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:45 am ]
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club29 wrote: i reckon we should get the best president in the galaxy. ppffftt. He's still shit, we need the best in the Universe

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Author:	Donstuie [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:48 am ]
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Is this guy available?

Author:	grrofunger [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:07 pm ]
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fevolagate

Author:	kingkerna [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:02 pm ]
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bax wrote: budzy wrote: With a poor 2010 membership level and a clear disengagement with grassroots supporters/members, it's time for change at Carlton. The old school approach by Kernahan & Coutts in particular is outdated and they both need to be moved on. A new President should immediately engage an appropriate independent firm (not Vossy ) to review its operations and advise on measures that brings Carlton into the modern age and re-engages it with its supporters/members new and old. No more 'shifty inhouse Carlton' which takes it grassroots for granted. That 'Carlton' has turned too many people away. I want to become a member again in 2011, but not until I see a REAL change in attitude at Carlton. Don't become a member then. We're heading in the right direction and it's time so called supporters stopped bagging and started supporting. We need stability not bloodletting which you are promoting.

Author:	moshe25 [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:36 pm ]
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club29 wrote: i reckon we should get the best president in the galaxy. But he's a Geelong supporter....

Author:	jimmae [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:00 pm ]
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There doesn't need to be anything other than a regular review. Sticks needs to be reminded of his temporary capacity. Coutts is clearly under fire, as evidenced by his foray into social media when he's clearly not equipped for it. Teague and Lappin will be heavily scrutinised, particularly Lappin who was previously working down on the bench delivering messages for Ratten & co. A lack of tactical depth in midfield play and kick-out strategy (yes kick-outs improved, but under pressure we selected the long-bomb to the left flank almost every time) should also be analysed. Players seem to be unsure of what to look for and how far to run to present for the spread, and I personally think (based on comments made by Ratten) this lies in the initial instruction being delivered in a complex fashion, and thus the simplified reinforcement given thereafter confuses the message further. I'd also scrutinise the medical and physio staff based on the number of players who seem to be continually playing through niggles week in week out. Perhaps their regiment needs to be better monitored through the week, whether that be via a Sydney-style self-administering database, or more intense player management.

Author:	Crusader [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:09 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: I'd also scrutinise the medical and physio staff based on the number of players who seem to be continually playing through niggles week in week out. You could start by asking our opponents to be more gentle in the tackle.

Author:	Crusader [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:17 pm ]
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budzy wrote: With a poor 2010 membership level and a clear disengagement with grassroots supporters/members, it's time for change at Carlton. The old school approach by Kernahan & Coutts in particular is outdated and they both need to be moved on. A new President should immediately engage an appropriate independent firm (not Vossy ) to review its operations and advise on measures that brings Carlton into the modern age and re-engages it with its supporters/members new and old. No more 'shifty inhouse Carlton' which takes it grassroots for granted. That 'Carlton' has turned too many people away. I want to become a member again in 2011, but not until I see a REAL change in attitude at Carlton. Poor memberships in comparison to Collingwood's 18,000 three-game tickets?... Lets get a standard metric before calling our figure a failure. bax wrote: We need stability. Agree 100% here.... I can't see any benefit in having a new leadership ticket go around counting up numbers for support only to HIRE an agency to tell them what they need to be doing.

Author:	Rexy [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:31 pm ]
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With the ants still going it will probably be another week at least before we hear of any Footy Department 'movements'. Kernahan Coutts and a few others have had a good innings, could well be time for a bit of a spring clean.

Author:	Orangewhip [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:58 pm ]
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budzy wrote: With a poor 2010 membership level and a clear disengagement with grassroots supporters/members, it's time for change at Carlton. The old school approach by Kernahan & Coutts in particular is outdated and they both need to be moved on. A new President should immediately engage an appropriate independent firm (not Vossy ) to review its operations and advise on measures that brings Carlton into the modern age and re-engages it with its supporters/members new and old. No more 'shifty inhouse Carlton' which takes it grassroots for granted. That 'Carlton' has turned too many people away. I want to become a member again in 2011, but not until I see a REAL change in attitude at Carlton. I hope you don't become a member again in 2011 because you are a bit delusional and REALLY boring.

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Author:	Cazzesman [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:05 pm ]
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How do you think the threads going so far Regards Cazzesman

Author:	Molly [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:13 pm ]
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It is threads like this that remind me why I've stayed away from TC for much of the year

Author:	HELLAS BLUE [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:45 pm ]
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Molly wrote: It is threads like this that remind me why I've stayed away from TC for much of the year Yeah but Molly wasn't talking players closed down with your recommendation and you didn't really post anyway after that? It seems you don't like the way things are around here yet when things are changed to suit you you don't post anyway. Also there was no need to open the thread if you didn't like it, the title was pretty self explanatory.

Author:	Mickstar [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:50 pm ]
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Having an end of year is standard isnt it ? no problem,so long as its not a witchunt lokking for shit that doesnt exist.

Author:	Molly [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:05 pm ]
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HELLAS BLUE wrote: Molly wrote: It is threads like this that remind me why I've stayed away from TC for much of the year Yeah but Molly wasn't talking players closed down with your recommendation and you didn't really post anyway after that? It seems you don't like the way things are around here yet when things are changed to suit you you don't post anyway. Also there was no need to open the thread if you didn't like it, the title was pretty self explanatory. I still agree with you that Nick Stevens won't take us anywhere and we've got a brand spanking new Talking Players we can take it to

Author:	woof [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:14 pm ]
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FWIW Sticks was a reluctant President to begin with. I am not sure what his intentions are for the future but all I would hope is that if a suitable candidate came along then it did not become a shit fight. In saying that no matter what happens in the future I will always be a member. I support the Carlton Football Club and not any particular individual. I reserve the right to have unconditional opinions on the servants of our footy club.