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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:03 am 
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End of Year Review



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Anderson

Has had a really good year in the VFL. Continues to show promise but has yet to translate this into AFL form. Is a handy depth player to have around. Lacks size and strength and tends to panic a lot. Will be lucky to stay on the list but his VFL form may mean he gets another year as a depth player. Perhaps another preseason and another chance and who knows.



Armfield

Tough, fast, hard running and attacks the ball with everything he has. Loves to take the opposition on and tackles hard. A really good, valuable player to have in defence. He’s improved his kicking too which is good to see. A favourite of mine for the way he goes about it.



Austin

We need him to stand up and get fit. There are questions over his pace and his leap. He lacks the size and strength to play AFL as he would need to play on the bigger slower forwards if he does lack pace.. He needs to improve his fitness and get a lot stronger. He also needs to improve his ability to hold leading players. He’s vulnerable playing out of the goal square. Needs to learn how to block leads.



Betts

Had a decent season and with the help of the extra work in the preseason but has lost a bit of his fitness towards seasons end it appears. Eddie needs to stick with the hard training during the preseason to keep his fitness at a good level. Desperately needs to work on his goal kicking and work on a set routine that he feels comfortable with.



Bower

Has been disappointing. Struggled with injury early and has not looked fit at all. Needs to add a lot more size and strength to his body. Also has a very soft approach to the game and refuses to make body contact. Needs to start laying body contact in spoils more bumping and more aggression with his attack on the ball and the man. Bower needs to have a big season in the gym, get stronger and put on some weight and come out with a more hardened approach to the game. His handballing is poor, doesn’t punch through the ball at all, looks terrible and comes off terrible. Has great potential, but that’s nothing if you don’t get there and don’t have a go.



Browne

Lacks elite hardness and intensity which he needs as he doesn’t have pace. Will really struggle to get a game in the Carlton team. His only chance is to make it as a midfielder but he needs to lift his work rate and his intensity and hardness at the footy. Will be lucky to still be on the list in 2011 but I think he will.



Carrazzo

Brilliant evasive skills and a very good athlete and runner. He’s a handy outside player, not over quick but uses his agility and evasive skills well and creates well. Kicking has improved a bit, more so with his decision making. Needs to keep doing what he is doing and we need to find a way to get him out of the center and onto a flank where he is more suited as he does not like to win the hard ball which is something you must do if you are to play in the center.



Davies

Looks really good. A fantastic build, good skills, good composure, is strong and tackles hard. Just needs another pre season and to build on that naturally strong body he already has and work on his game. Needs to increase his fitness and work rate and learn to get off his man to get more of the ball.



Ellard

Very impressed with how he goes about his footy. He’s still far too skinny. He needs to put on a lot more weight as he will get murdered by the bigger sides in that role. His concentration on the game is second to none, he never loses focus and his attack on the ball is consistent. His attack on the ball and the man is great. He’s actually quite good with his hands and handball in close. He’s not quick, big or skilful but he has it right above his shoulders and that’s what’s so good about him. He’s worth sticking with and would benefit from adding more weight to his frame.



Fisher

Just doesn’t have the size, strength, athleticism or kicking skills to make it at AFL level and will probably not be on the list next season.



Garlett

A recruiting masterstroke. Very talented and very valuable to our team. Hard to believe as a rookie pick he is better than the guy we took at 6 in the main draft that year. He needs to add more muscle to his frame as he gets pushed around a lot, also needs to learn to relax as he fumbles a bit at times. Soft hands are a thing he sometimes hasn’t got, but is improving and mostly does. Would be good to see less lairising like going for the ball one handed. This guy will have a big year in 2011, could be a real weapon on the wing too.



Gibbs

Valuable off half back but not suited to playing on the real good forwards or out of the goal square. Gibbs lacks a bit of body size and strength. Lacks hardness at the ball at times which is not good to see. Needs to go harder at the ball in dispute as he often holds back. More aggressive bumping and shepherding from him would be good. He’s really good when he’s going in hard and putting his head over the footy and using his body. His future is probably off half back, doesn’t have the appetite for the contested footy which is what a player must have if they are to play on the ball.



Grigg

Had a good second half of the season. Was handy around the contests winning the contested ball. Plays similar to Judd but needs to learn to run hard and take the opposition on like Judd does. He could be a really good player if he adds a bit more strength to his frame and lifts his work rate and takes the opposition on more and takes more risks.



Hadley

Sometimes plays well, often takes a while to get into the game. He badly lacks speed and he doesn’t have the size and strength to be a really good extractor and stand up in tackles and get the ball out. What is disappointing is his second efforts and his chasing. He’s a poor chaser, he goes to ground often and is slow to get back up, when he gets out of the contest he doesn’t work hard enough to get up and get back into it. He just lacks a bit of polish with his hands but is a valuable depth player for us.



Hampson

Lacks lower body strength and has poor balance. A lot of the marks he drops is because he gets unbalanced so easily by opposition body contact. He’s not as strong as he looks, lacks strength in his lower body. Needs to work on keeping balanced in contests and holding his marks. His height, leap and athleticism are his strength. His balance is his weakness.



Henderson

If he could hold his marks he’d be a star and one of the top tall forwards in the league. He’s athletic, agile, tall and a decent runner and reader of the play but he drops too many marks. I think his big problem is full concentration. A lot of the marks he drops is because his hands are on the wrong part of the ball and in the wrong place. Needs to learn to watch the footy harder into his hands and spread his fingers and get his thumbs behind it. He also needs to put on a hell of a lot more muscle if he is to play a key forward position. A bigger stronger frame will help with his marking. If he gets his marking right he could be another Jonathan Brown, if. Does he use ball grip?



Houlihan

Hasn’t had a bad year, injuries have finished him this year. He’s going to find it tough for a spot in the side next year with all the quality young candidates for his position on the list. He’s at an age where he doesn’t fit our side well and he is a player who lacks consistency, pace and a good attack on the ball and the man.



Jacobs

Will probably be traded at seasons end. Is a handy ruckman but is probably not in our best 22. He lacks a bit of size and strength compared with many of the other ruckmen out there. He generally marks well and competes well at ground level. His disposal is first class. He just doesn’t have the athleticism to be dangerous around the ground but he is still a more than decent ruckman.



Jamison

Has struggled to hold down full back. Doesn’t attack the ball enough. Has not been reading the ball well in the air lately. Could be more physical in contests. Lacks a lot of strength. He’s looked very lazy chaser. Doesn’t work for front position and doesn’t chase his opponent hard enough. Often lets his man have a few meters on him and doesn’t chase him hard to close the gap until it’s kicked to his man. Needs to learn to use his body to inhibit forwards leads and he needs to work harder at taking front position and to put on more muscle. He’s had a poor season and he needs to get these things right.



Johnson

Came into the side and looked good. Has the smarts to get the footy. Came with some hardness at the contest but he just couldn’t maintain any intensity. Perhaps has lacked fitness and perhaps lacks a bit of pace. While he was impressive at times he will find it hard to get a game.



Joseph

Has had an average season. Seems to lose concentration and aggression at the contest at times. Was played down back instead of midfield. He’s too weak in the air for the back line. AJ will probably improve on this and come out firing next year. A good pre season and a more mature body will do him good.



Judd

Judd has struggled with the hard tag and playing that inside role he does. His kicking seems to be really poor, was one of the guys who missed sitters in the final which turned out to be costly. Not sure what needs to be done to fix his kicking, perhaps a new style, he does seem to throw/force it onto the boot, doesn’t have a pretty ball drop. If he was a good kick he’d be a real weapon.



Kerr

Haven't seen much of him or heard a lot about him, should get to see what he's made of next year.



Kreuzer

We missed Kreuzer this year. His hardness at the footy around the ground and the way he follows up were sorely missed. I expect him to play forward next year a lot as he will be recovering and finding fitness and form from that knee injury. Many people say he can’t play forward but I disagree. He’s too skilful, big and has too good of hands to not be able to play there. Thing is as a ruckman he plays like well above his age but as a forward he is a typical tall 19-20 year old forward. If we stick with him like we have with Henderson and persist with him he will turn out to be a good forward. Thing is he has no idea how to use his body. He needs to learn to initiate body contact and where to position/plant his feet because he gets his feet in the wrong places and too close together and get too far under the ball and allows defenders to push him under it easily. Perhaps Kreuzer will turn out to be a great forward and Henderson can then go down back and be our answer to a big CHB…



Lucas

Really good pick up. Smart, quick and skilful and knows how to use his pace. Will be a valuable player for us. Is a natural wingman/half back. Will hopefully play a lot of games for us. Needs to add some strength to his body. We need to develop a hard edge to his game.



Mclean

Bit of a worry with his injury record. Was a real worry how he can’t play with a niggle. Seems to effect him mentally and he seems to lose concentration easily. When he’s fit he’s good. He’s the type we need in the midfield. Lets hope he can have a full preseason and get his body right. Needs to get a bit of intensity and a bit more run in his game. Needs to be injury free. I’d prefer to see him move more at stoppages rather than just standing still too.



Murphy

A real worry how he performed in the final against Sydney and many of the games this year although he was better in the second half of that match. Sometimes he doesn’t turn up. He can be very soft and his concentration is an issue. Sometimes he refuses to get the hard ball and go in hard for the ball in dispute. The first half against the Swans was unacceptable, especially in a final. When he goes hard at the footy he’s great but this part of his game is shocking inconsistent. I can’t stand seeing him stage for free kicks and appealing to the umpire, when he’s doing that he’s not switched on. He needs to but on more body size, improve his running, should be tethered to Judd all summer. He needs to show some leadership taking that soft part of his game out and winning more of his own ball, getting in the contest and putting his head over it consistently. He had an interrupted preseason which is a good excuse for average form but not for his poor attack on the footy and lack of concentration. He’s had good patches but is not playing to his potential and that is disappointing.



O’Keeffe

Is supposed to be a good long kick with a big strong body and every one has had high expectations. Looks like injury may finish him though, not sure what his current injury status is but he is a guy who needs a good preseason and needs to do a hell of a lot of hard running. I’m not sure where he is at but he might be lucky to get another go, he should.



O’hAilpin

To put it simply, can’t mark in his hands and won’t use his body. Doesn’t bump or crash packs. If he is going to make it as a full forward he needs to put on a lot of weight and improve his strength. He’s too light for a tall forward. Leads and kicks ok but his lack of body use and poor hands are costing him. Should stay on the list for another season or be traded if there is interest.



Robinson

His attack on the man and the contested ball is fantastic. If they all attacked the footy and man like this we would be a top 4 side. Mitch needs to work on his hands under pressure and the ball at ground level. He needs to bulk up a fair bit as he’s still a skinny kid. A big strong Robinson will be valuable for us. His endurance needs to lift and lift a lot. He struggles to maintain the intensity. I look forward to seeing a fitter, bigger, stronger Robinson go around next year.



Russell

Started well but finished the season poorly. His intensity and work rate dropped off. Turned it on for the final though against the Swans where he was fantastic. If I remember correctly he was excellent in last years final against Brisbane. Perhaps he is not an internally motivated player and needs a little extra to get him up. Should have a good season next year, he’s pretty much on track to make something of himself. Just needs to keep trying to get to the footy first and attack it with confidence.



Scotland

As good as he has been I think he will be on the outer from here on here. He’s 30 and he has looked to have struggled at the end of this season after starting so well. Because of his age he wont be getting any better and may find himself on the outer at Carlton. Really struggled in the final today against the Swans.



Simpson

Kicking is a think he can’t stop working on as every now and then bad kicking comes back and hurts him. Needs to add a bit of strength to his frame, slips too many tackles and gets knocked around too easily. Needs to work on breaking tags as he really struggles to beat any kind of tag. He’s had a pretty decent season but it’s lacked consistency.



Thornton

Not tall enough, strong enough and quick enough for AFL. Is a slow decision maker and not the best kick. Has poor body language and poor on field leadership aspects and consistently gets beaten by his opponent. Enough said.



Tiller

Seems to struggle at AFL level. A player I know very little about and haven’t seen play. I don’t know what his good and bad qualities are or what sort of player he is meant to be. Might struggle to remain on the list, will probably be rookied at best.



Waite

Has had an alright season. Now he has settled in to a position, and that is as a key forward, he needs to develop his body to fit the role. He lacks size and strength for that role, he’s easily beaten one on one so a big season in the gym is very important for him.



Walker

A very up and down season. Looked good as a forward in the Final against Sydney. His problem is he lacks size and strength. Gets pushed off the ball and doesn’t hold tackles well at all. He needs a good season in the gym. Has the ability to play really good football but sometimes he goes missing. Must get bigger and stronger. Marking technique looks dodgy, doesn’t look to use his thumbs.



Warnock

Has really impressed me of late. He’s so tall, had a great battle with Sandilands this year, he’s just a bit too skinny, needs to keep working on putting on as much muscle as possible. I’m impressed with his marking, athleticism, mobility and kicking. Sometimes he seems to run out of leap in the middle but considering it’s his first season in ages it’s not bad at all.



White

Impressive early with his ability to play tall and small and his ability to run and focus on the basics. He might suffer from a lack of size but he will be well in the running for a place in our starting 22.



Wiggins

A battler but injuries and deficiencies in his game have finished his career, will no doubt not be on the list next year.



Yarran

Started the year well. Skills are good but his fitness needs work and lots of it. Has an impressive build for a young player. He needs to be harder at the ball though but that will hopefully come with age. Should have a big season in 2011



Cachia

Heard good things about him in the VFL and might be a player of the future. Seems to be able to find the footy. Needs to focus on his roving and focus on attacking the ball hard and winning his own ball.



Casboult

Could be a player of the future. At this stage he’s just a fat kid. With a good preseason and some good conditioning and maturing he might turn out to be a decent forward/ruckman. Seems quite mobile, good hands but a poor kick. Needs to start kicking more goals in the VFL and get his fitness right.



Dare

Looks very light but is still very young. Looks to have the ability to find the ball and may also turn out to be a valuable player.



Donaldson

Very light, very raw, played mostly VFL reserves. Needs a big season in the gym and will probably be a late developing player.



Tuohy

I’m very impressed with Tuohy. Kicks the ball as well as any one, has a great style, loves it hard and tough and is very very strong and big. Has good pace and loves to take opposition and run with the footy. I am sure he will play next year and wont be surprised if he plays every game.



The Team

Started really well but injuries and poor attitude took it’s tole. The team was called soft and rightfully so. We are not a hard side. We have struggled with holes. We are lacking 1 really good tall defender. We are lacking at least one really good tough inside genuine center man. Our young tall forwards have struggled but have improved. If you could add a James Frawly and a David Mundy to Carlton’s list then we would have a complete list but that hasn’t happened… yet. The team needs to be more physical and in the off season we need to have a high shepherding game plan drilled into the players. The focus on blocking and shepherding must go through the season. Simply dropping players who don’t meet their quota of shepherds for the game. We don’t naturally block and shepherd and it’s costing us and making it thought for our players. The coach needs to address a poor attack on the footy and the man to the following players as the season goes on: Yarran, Murphy, O’hAilpin, Gibbs, Bower and Walker. They are individuals who often do not go hard enough at the man and the contested footy and can lose concentration and it’s up to the coaches to keep them up and firing.

The team carries a lot of light players. As a group the players lack size and strength. We must address this as many players are getting to that age where they should be bulking up. I think Ratten might be looking for the bigger stronger players next year. Would have been good to win a final but it didn’t happen. Was disappointing the way some of our more higher profile players went about playing in that final. All that aside I expect big things from Carlton in 2011 and if we have a good run with injuries a top 4 finish will be on the cards.





Predicted main players for 2011

Backs

Armfield Jamison Russell Gibbs Bower Davies Touhy Joseph Austin White

Midfielders

Simpson Mclean Lucas Warnock Judd Murphy Grigg Carrazzo Ellard Scotland Hampson

Forwards

Yarran Henderson Garlett Kreuzer Waite Betts Walker Robinson


Predicted Trade Options
Anderson
Austin
Hadley
Houlihan
Jacobs
O'hAilpin
Scotland
Thornton

For a Big Name:
Grigg
Walker


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:25 am 
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Why would you trade Jacobs?

Why would you trade any of our rucks? We've potentially got one of the most damaging ruck divisions in the league and people want to trade them away. They're all young and they're all still 3 to 4 years from peaking.

Every club would kill to have three fit quality ruckmen on their list and considering the demands of the position you need at least four on your list to achieve that. Warnock and Jacobs have been excellent since Kreuzer was injured and if one of them goes down we have Hampson.

Great ruckmen have always played a huge role in premierships and particularly in Carlton ones. Never again do I want to see us reduced to playing a Trent Hotton in the ruck.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:41 am 
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yep, I'd rotate four ruckmen all year if I had my way. Hampson to learn forward. Kruezer forward etc.
It's a golden position with all of them so young.

it's other areas we've got to address, not trade our strengths.

and Batman, Carrazzo is not an outside player. He's an inside player, who thinks he's an outsider player.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:47 am 
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gbatman wrote:

Thornton

Not tall enough, strong enough and quick enough for AFL. Is a slow decision maker and not the best kick. Has poor body language and poor on field leadership aspects and consistently gets beaten by his opponent. Enough said.





consistently beaten? If you're gonna expect people to read through such a long post at least use facts.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:37 am 
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Here's afl.com.au's opinion

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default ... sid=102006


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:53 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Why would you trade Jacobs?

Why would you trade any of our rucks? We've potentially got one of the most damaging ruck divisions in the league and people want to trade them away. They're all young and they're all still 3 to 4 years from peaking.

Every club would kill to have three fit quality ruckmen on their list and considering the demands of the position you need at least four on your list to achieve that. Warnock and Jacobs have been excellent since Kreuzer was injured and if one of them goes down we have Hampson.

Great ruckmen have always played a huge role in premierships and particularly in Carlton ones. Never again do I want to see us reduced to playing a Trent Hotton in the ruck.


You answered your own question here. We have massive holes in our side down back and in the midfield and a surplus of ruckmen, good ruckmen. Next year two of them will be playing in the VFL, bit of a waste hey? This is a no brainer considering Casboult is playing as a ruckman and doing well for a young man at VFL level. 5 Ruckmen is not necessary if you can trade one for someone we desperately need.
If a decent trade comes up we must go for it. If it doesn't then they stay, simple. Hampson are going to have to be oppertunist players as they will not displace Kreuzer and Warnock, they will not want to stay in 12 months time after not getting a game.

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and Batman, Carrazzo is not an outside player. He's an inside player, who thinks he's an outsider player.

Carrazzo is not an inside player, he relies on receiving and getting the lose ball and using his athleticism and smarts to find space. Judd, Mclean, Hadley and Murphy when he pulls his finger out are the only decent genuine inside players we have. Carrazzo doesn't like physical contact, idealy he's best suited to the wing or flank and being given a licence to run and play as a midfielder. That or play a defencive role.


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Thornton

Not tall enough, strong enough and quick enough for AFL. Is a slow decision maker and not the best kick. Has poor body language and poor on field leadership aspects and consistently gets beaten by his opponent. Enough said.





consistently beaten? If you're gonna expect people to read through such a long post at least use facts.


Why do you think he can't get a game? He was leaking goals like a sieve. I don't expect anything of people, I am just contributing to the forum and to me this is fact.


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I suppose you've summarised why Carrazzo isn't much of an outside player there batman. His mind says he wants to do the glory stuff; his capability should tell him he'd be better at the bottom of a pack.

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Hmm. Don't know we should be off loading any of our rucks at the moment.

We can't expect Krooz to return as good as new at the start of next season, he's going to take time to regain fitness and confidence. By the nature of the position you can expect all four to miss at some stage through injury, keep 'em all for next year unless someone is seriously pissed off and demands a transfer.


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Hmm. Don't know we should be off loading any of our rucks at the moment.

We can't expect Krooz to return as good as new at the start of next season, he's going to take time to regain fitness and confidence. By the nature of the position you can expect all four to miss at some stage through injury, keep 'em all for next year unless someone is seriously pissed off and demands a transfer.


Kreuzer has been training for the last few weeks, I'd imagine he'll have a full preseason, still looks in good nick and has it above the shoulders to shrug off a lack of confidence. There is no point having 5 ruckmen and retaining then if a trade option comes up to fill some of our massive holes. It would be stupid to ignore trades for Mundy if they wanted a ruck. We will have 5 ruckem next year maybe more if we draft one, If Kreuzer and Warnock stay injury free, and it's looking good for them at the moment, Hampson and Jacobs wont play a game.


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as much as I know people want to criticise I would rather congratulate those who stepped up:
David Ellard: after languishing in the VFL for so long took his chance and worked his bum off. Never will be big, fast or have the best skills but works so hard and puts his body on the line

Kane Lucas: great debut. Has the body, skills and mindset if he can get just get those hammies sorted

Robbie Warnock: still has a long way to develop physically and also in his skills but really rewarded the faith and silenced the critics

Simon White: people were perplexed when he was given his shot but played well under a lot of pressure. Again shame injuries robbed him

Jeff Garlett: was the hardest working small fwd, chased tackled won the ball. Hope he maintains the work ethic that got him there and does not believe the hype!

Denis Armfield: has improved his kicking and will continue to do so. His dash and sheer bravery should be studied by all

L Henderson: handled the expectations well and came on superbly. A long way to go but promises a lot

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gbatman wrote:
He was leaking goals like a sieve.


Stop telling lies.

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How bloody quick did that season go?


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verbs wrote:
How bloody quick did that season go?


Your telling me!

I'm quietly excited for next year though. Would be the first time since 2001 that people will expect big things of Carlton, especially if we do well at trade period. The few injuries that gave guys like Grigg, Ellard, Warnock, Davies games will turn out to be blessings. This and I'm getting excited to seeing guys like Touhy get a chance and Kreuzer play. All eyes will be on Brock Mclean though just to see what he can bring to the table.


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Some good points there Batman


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:42 pm 
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End of season review
Agree with most of the comments apart from Carlos needing to put on weight. He's over 100 kilos now it's just that he doesn't know how to use it.
By the way IIRC we have never won a game where we were behind at quarter time this year and for the people who like stats I don't think we have won one in the last two seasons.


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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
yep, I'd rotate four ruckmen all year if I had my way. Hampson to learn forward. Kruezer forward etc.
It's a golden position with all of them so young.

it's other areas we've got to address, not trade our strengths.

and Batman, Carrazzo is not an outside player. He's an inside player, who thinks he's an outsider player.


Very good WBY..............................we are not desperate,those chasing these guys are desperate.Let 'em bleed for another twelve months.They'll come lickin' our boots.As that famous whatshername French Queen once said when told the peasants were starving,"let them eat cake".

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Peter Sherry wrote:
End of season review
Agree with most of the comments apart from Carlos needing to put on weight. He's over 100 kilos now it's just that he doesn't know how to use it.
By the way IIRC we have never won a game where we were behind at quarter time this year and for the people who like stats I don't think we have won one in the last two seasons.


We beat Brisbane and West Coast this year when being down at quarter time - although they are both in the bottom 4 :)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:22 pm 
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Bert Deacon

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I know someone has said this before in another thread i think but ill say it again:

If we can trade Hampson or Jacobs (for the right price of course) then we should because a guy like Jacobs wont like playing VFL when he could be another clubs no. 1 ruckman...and probably earning more money too. So by the end of next year he might be desperate to change clubs and then we'll have no bargaining power as he can just nominate for the draft and we'll end up getting next to nothing.

If Jacobs can push forward more and kick some goals, which he has done at VFL level but not AFL level, then id rather trade Hampson, who is still very much a project player.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:41 pm 
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jt wrote:
I know someone has said this before in another thread i think but ill say it again:

If we can trade Hampson or Jacobs (for the right price of course) then we should because a guy like Jacobs wont like playing VFL when he could be another clubs no. 1 ruckman...and probably earning more money too. So by the end of next year he might be desperate to change clubs and then we'll have no bargaining power as he can just nominate for the draft and we'll end up getting next to nothing.

If Jacobs can push forward more and kick some goals, which he has done at VFL level but not AFL level, then id rather trade Hampson, who is still very much a project player.

It's going to be great next year when we have Kreuzer and Warnock in the team because for the first time we will have two ruckmen who are quite capable forwards. Warnock has really suprised me just how good he is in the forward line. He's quick, has a very consistant and reliable kick and his hands look good. If Warnock can put on a bit of extra weight he can be our Sandilands. Kreuzer is an out and out star and he'll make a very very good forward one day. Jacobs and Hampson are just not any good at playing forward at this stage.


Absolutly right about trading the ruckmen, we need to get the balance right in our team. These are the boxes we have ticked:

Tall Forwards
Small/Medium Forwards
Outside midfielders
Ruckmen
Small Defenders/Taggers

These are the boxes we don't have ticked:
Tough Genuine onball players
1 Tall Defender.

These are the players we have a surplus in:
Ruckmen
Medium Defenders
Average to poor inside mids
Aerage to poor tall defenders


So we need to take from the areas we have surpluses in to fill the areas we have deficits in, it makes sence.
So thats why we need to shop either Hampson or Jacobs around and also perhaps Walker if the right name comes up. Thornton is someone I would take anything for.



I say we do trade one of them as we will have Casboult as our 4th bigman and that will do him well to play a game or two, lets hope we don't need him though. We can always draft a young ruckman with a late pick any way.


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