With Mitch wallace's serious injury last night, I was always thinking that Etihad is a stadium that produced more serious injuries than any other stadium

just from observations - apart from the surface, the size is too small with greater chances of collisions

just off the top of my head:

wallace's leg
nathan brown's leg
lewis' head on collision
kruezer's knee

found this article which is of concern:

http://figuringfooty.com/2016/04/25/do- ... at-etihad/

I agree. That place is a disaster. Over the Ratten and Malthouse years our seasons took a turn for the worse when when mid winter we had a run of games at Etihad. Injuries would mount quickly. Players start playing with niggles.
I doubt a team that plays often there will win a flag. Rock hard ground with a top surface that moves just enough to cause issues.

Haha. So Essendon** won one. St Kilda made two GFs and actually drew one, so that wasn't Etihad's fault. And then Carlton, North, and Footscray have been shit anyway so it wouldn't matter if they played at Wembley they still wouldn't have won a flag.

This is an illogical argument. By all means, criticise Etihad, but teams not winning flags is irrelevant.

Thats your opinion. The fact that no premierships have been won is a fact ...because the clubs are damaged because of etihads on and off field constraints.
Essendon** 2000 was an abberation in that etihads constraints have not fully kicked in its first year but they got the best financial deal as the first tenant.

Wtf are you talking about? You said playing at Etihad makes you not win flags. Essendon** played there and won a flag. Ergo, what you said is incorrect.

Now, playing at Junction Oval, that's another story.

I gave the reason why Essendon** won the flag in 2000 - it was the first year- when all the on field and off field constraints have not kicked in as yet

agree to disagree

I see. So you're saying that Carlton, Footscray, North, and Essendon** didn't win flags the past 15 years because....... they played home games at Etihad???

You sure it couldn't have had the tiniest bit to do with that they were shithouse?

You're taking things in common and attributing false cause without any evidence. That's a logical fallacy.

there are various reasons why Carlton, Footscray, North, and Essendon*** are shithouse in your words - but my take is that there are common factors that apply to all home teams at Etihad that constrain the clubs to the point where they dont win premierships

this thread has thrashed it out:

1 poor playing surface
2. lack of playing space
- 1 and 2 contributing to more serious injuries - see the link to the article I pasted above
3. financial killer - appears to involve that a club leases the ground for the home game on a game basis - which sets up a debt for that daily use - the membership cards of members literally swipe a fee off the debt for that game - which sets up the critera that north and footscray have to get 30,000 attendances to break even. Couple that with AFL control of etihad with the broadcasting rights in the hands of the AFL, the AFL has 3 income streams from Etihad (1) tv rights (2) gate receipts (3) merchandising and food.

Thats why if we had a Carlton Board with some onions and big vision we would build Princes park, so we can take the entire gate receipts and control our revenue - that could be one reason why we have a continual debt presently at 6.4m

[as a related point - hawks get 35 million for Tasmania]

4. not the ground where the grand final is played


so what i am trying to say my carlton friend is that if you combine all of the above they act a counterweight/factor to make us a poor performer on and off field and prevent us from winning a premiership

Get used to playing Essendon** and the MCG and playing against Jack Reiwoldt

My info is the Bombers would trade pick 1 for Jack Reiwoldt

Get used to playing Essendon** and the MCG and playing against Jack Reiwoldt

My info is the Bombers would trade pick 1 for Jack Reiwoldt

Wtf are you talking about? You said playing at Etihad makes you not win flags. Essendon** played there and won a flag. Ergo, what you said is incorrect.

Now, playing at Junction Oval, that's another story.

Get used to playing Essendon** and the MCG and playing against Jack Reiwoldt

My info is the Bombers would trade pick 1 for Jack Reiwoldt

Seeing geelong have a massive party at their home ground to honour their great players after the siren at a milestone game got me missing the old Princes Park days. It will never be like that for the clubs that don't have a proper home ground.

Teams with proper home grounds have a massive advantage over the rest.