I want peoples opinion on judds disposals. He is great hard ball and contested player but his disposals really lets him down.

My feeling is if he is to become the best player in the league and overtake ablett, his disposals, kicking for goals and contested marks must improve. Great leader on field but he needs to get better at these fundamentals. I think he has gone backwards in this aspect of his game.

His disposal is definitely down, but the amount of times he is getting smashed at a stoppage is on the rise. Hadley doesn't protect him and I find myself applauding the rare moments players like Carrazzo, Murphy & Gibbs lay in a bump or shepherd.

I'm all for them presenting for the ball, but when they're nearby, and they can open up the run by doing the team thing, they don't really do it a whole lot and in instead try to peel off with little effect. This either results in a turnover, or a looped handball to them that has a good chance of breaking down the ball movement.

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Actually thought he was very solid with his disposal tonight - at least in comparison with previous weeks. Slowed down as the game went on (apparently got a corkie?) but he was massive in the 2nd quarter. Had a game high 3 goal assists.

i think his disposal accuracy this year hasnt been as good as in previous years for some reason. I'm also concerned about his reluctance to kick for goal when he's within scoring distance... He seems to have no confidence in his goal kicking...

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So you're saying even though Judd turns the ball over more often that he should when he's in the clear it's actually Hadley and the rest of our midfield's fault? That he can't kick well?

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Judd's disposal is average at best.

However, I do understand the argument in regards to the other Carlton midfielders lack of support.

I've lost count at how many times I've seen Judd break a pack or two, being forced to dispose of the ball in a hurried way (which normally leads to an ineffective kick regardless of it passing the AFL statisticians rule for meterage on the kick) that could have been a much better kick had one of the midfielders helped in support.

Judd often finds himself in a position where he HAS to kick the ball when if somebody had helped him after he broke the pack by presenting themselves as an option a few meters (but clearer) away from where Judd was bursting through.

There is just far, far too much standing around and watching when Judd breaks the packs loose. I'd love to see someone break the other way and give him that option NOT to kick. At the moment the kick goes into the forward fifty and usually into a far too easy opportunity for a defensive rebound.

That happens with Brock too.

Mclean wins the ball and goes to take the first option, yet there was no one running past to receive his handball after we won the centre clearance.

So Mclean gets caught holding the ball.

We need followers like Campo, Bradley and Kouta flying past to take the ball from Judd and Mclean.

These three runners dined out on the dominance of Ratten, Brown and Diesel in the middle.

Only happens if Garlett and Yarran push up the ground and use their pace.

I agree with you in regards to the same thing effecting Brock's game. I believe that's where people get the perception that he's a little slow in his decision making. The entire reason that you have a player like Brock in the side is for him to get the clearances by getting the ball from the packs and shooting it out to the players presenting as options.

He does the first part of his job but when his teammates rarely give him that presenting option he has no opportunity to complete the job. He's forced to try and fend for himself. He's not that type of player.

Gibbs is the ideal player for the type of role to work off of Judd and McLean's work. The deluxe outside midfielder role that Bradley (as you mentioned in your post) excelled at for years. He's one of, if not the best user of the ball in the team yet the coaching staff have clearly decided that he needs work on the defensive side of his game or that due to the number of injuries and deficincies in the squad this season that he is best used in the backline.

I'd personally rather see him present as an option off of the wing or the half forward line and put him into position to capitalize from the work of Judd and McLean.

As much as the club has talked up our chances as a top four and premiership contender there are so many different ways in which I think that the club is ultimately using this season as a prepartory year to get us to that point. The use of Gibbs has been to me the clear cut example of this. Thinking that if they give him a season to work on his defensive game and he gets back into the midfield either towards the end of the season near finals time or from the start of next season he'll have worked on perceived deficiencies in his game. Can you really counter that he would be better used feeding off of Judd and McLean's work?

..i've said for a while my ideal position for the Gibblet was off half forward, pushing into the midfield.. ..don't like him behind the ball/HBF.. ..and to be honest i didn't think he was one of our mids that needed any extra 'defensive work' drilled into him.. ..i don't think he's down back for that reason.. ..i think he's pretty good already as a defensive mid, and he's got potential as an extractor i think also..

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Don't worry about Garlett and Yarran receiving the midfield ball, we have better players than those two in the midfield.
McLean gets caught with the ball because Judd isn't there running past to accept the slick Brock handball.
It's Judd's fault Brock gets caught!! and Murphy's and who ever else plays the outrider's role.

I think the point jimmae is making is that Judd is getting smashed in the midfield and it's that physicality that hinders his disposal.
And the reason he is being smashed is because he's getting his own ball instead of running past either Hadley or Brock who are in and under doing the heavy work.

Problem I see is that neither Hadley or Brock have given Judd a reason to sit back and collect the sneaky handball at full pace from them. First of all we do not have a dominant ruckman to expect the ball in our hands more than not, and secondly neither Hadley or Brock are as good at dishing out the ball as some think. They are in and under players, sure, but because we are from Carlton we know what we expect given we've had the likes of Diesel, Ratten and Browny to set the benchmark for the hard ball get.

It's a bout time we stopped overrating both Brock and Hadley. Sure, be grateful that we have them, but lets not rate them beyond their currrent form.

As for Judd...his disposal is both good and bad. That left foot pass he attempted last night without any pressure was pitiful. It wasn't because he doesn't have a left foot, but moreso because he didn't focus on the execution imo. He needs to get his kicking back to his high standards....then we'll see a few more goals.

It's mid season. Everyone's got a few niggles. Everyone needs a rest.
I just hope that Ratts has the balls to give players a rest before the finals to refresh. He has the players. He has the depth. Does he have the confidence in the team and the game plan to do it?

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That's how you misinterpret a post and laugh at your own post.

I think that's bollocks, Judd is no different to any other player and basically that's a cop out. If he's like that now then he's past his best IMO. He needs to execute when in the clear otherwise there's no use releasing him. Make him our in and under.

Going by what's written in here, Judd's poor kicking is due to Mclean, hadley and Murphy not protecting him and Mclean's inability to dish off is all down to Judd and Murphy not providing a decent option. Gimme an effen break.

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I only subscribe to the former in full; Murphy is definitely poor at spreading quickly when required.

Whenever Judd is near a stoppage, gets the ball, and doesn't get a decent break or shepherd, he like everyone else in AFL footy gets brought to ground. The only difference is 2 or 3 blokes come after him, and make it hurt. I remember 4 went after him in the Saints game. That's a little extra attention even for a bloke who can shed tackles, and it takes its toll.

You cannot expect to have a bloke consistently win the inside ball and dominate the outside ball; it's far too taxing.

EDIT: Clarified

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Kane Lucas and Bryce Gibbs need to be groomed as proper, polished outside midfielders if this team is to win a premiership under Judd. Our spread and run has been fantastic this year, but we still don't seem to be able to damage teams using first option through the corridor... we always seem to spread wide to the flanks and try to kick back inboard. Im not saying our gameplan hasnt been fairly effective, but theres nothing that can stop a 'Kreuzer to Judd/Mclean to Gibbs/Lucas/Murph to Setanta/Waite on the lead' play. It's the game in its simplest yet most effective strategic form.

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Judd would know his kicking is a bit off. He wouldnt be making excuses and he would be working hard on rectifying his problem.

Bring back David Clarke.

Judd isn't a worry if he can take the ball on the move at CHB, sprint away and switch the play with a kick off the outside of his right boot.

Well then it's obvious, Judd needs to play more inside and dish off to the likes of Murphy, Simpson and co or stop winning that contested ball. Personally, I think we've had our in and under specialist staring us in the eyes for the last two years, Bryce Gibbs. Surely there's no one better on our list at playing this role? Not from where I'm sitting.

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You're right, but we're faced with missing out on his disposal ability in doing so.

At the moment we're looking at one of Robinson, McLean or Grigg to take that role so we can release Gibbs. Hadley will be involved this season but I think he's done his dash at our club and needs another change of scenery.

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Whilst I think Judds disposal is better than most on our list maybe it would help if we played a guy like Gibbs along side him instead of in the back half...just a thought..

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Gibbs ball use is very good and a weapon for us when we are song. I like him behind the ball running of half back and opening up play and pumping the ball inside fifty rather than in close.

We have to have someone who can do the job in and under. If Mclean doesnt come good then we should at least have a look at Grigg or even Ellard.