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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:42 pm 
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Weren't we threatened with fines if we didn't wear it?

Chester is really confusing me lately.

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"The club asked that they could wear their home jumper and their white shorts, instead of their clash guernsey that we put them in.

"So it was at Hawthorn's instigation that they wore their home guernsey and white shorts, knowing that the umpires were already in the lime green.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:44 pm 
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Yeah... that wouldn't have worked yesterday......

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 3:38 pm 
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This is a bigger issue than most ppl realise and we need to be less traditional re "away" strips, for the benefit of players, umpires and male spectators.

Most don't realise that approx 10% of the male population (players included) are red/green colour blind, which is the most common form. This effects the suferer in reducing his ability to diferentiate not only these colours, but also ones containg those primary colors (eg brown, purple, etc). It also effects the ability to distinguish different shades of colour.

Then there are the additional males that suffer other colour blindness genetics.
For those ignorant on the subject the gene is carried by the female but the condition is only active in males.

A lot of fans have trouble with distinguishing similar strips from a distance.
Aussie rules cries for adhering to "traditional" jumpers in this case is stuck in the dark ages.

Soccer clubs globally have embraced "away" strips, and have made a lot of $ selling additional merchandise b'coz of this.

Its just hard to yell "carn the whites", but those that dont get it need to realise that there must be dozens of footballers in the league suffering difficulties greater than those of us who aren't colour blind.

Poor/slow decision making may occasionally be colour confusion


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:05 pm 
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What doesn't make sense to me is that we must wear the white jumper against clubs like Port and St Kilda, but not against Essendon*. I understand the argument for a clash jumper, but if it is deemed not necessary for us to wear it against Essendoin, then surely we should need to wear it against anyone else?

And as others have mentioned, if we do have to wear it, then surely we could wear it with navy shorts? Would make such a difference.

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:14 pm 
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I honestly dont see the big deal in it all
I dont mind the alternative strip but then again I am a massive soccer fan so it is quite common in those leagues around the world.

Its still our team. Its still our emblem. And it is still our club.

I am just glad we chose the white strip as it is a simple inversion of our navy blue jumper. And in business terms it is good for business. How many white strips do you see around the crowds nowadays? That is additional merchandise sales!

I dont mind it

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:34 pm 
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I honestly dont see the big deal in it all
I dont mind the alternative strip but then again I am a massive soccer fan so it is quite common in those leagues around the world.

Its still our team. Its still our emblem. And it is still our club.

I am just glad we chose the white strip as it is a simple inversion of our navy blue jumper. And in business terms it is good for business. How many white strips do you see around the crowds nowadays? That is additional merchandise sales!

I dont mind it

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as long as it's no more than say 4-5 times a season i dont see what the fuss is about.

the white stip looks choice.

i'm in the 10% too and do find it hard to see whats going on at times when in attendance.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:46 pm 
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well, they after all......

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:57 pm 
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My only fear is that one day we'll have to wear it in a Grand Final.

Otherwise, it doesn't really bother me all that much.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:16 pm 
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I think the all white with navy emblem looks great. definitely the best alternative strip of all teams. my wife loves it. (it would look terrible with navy shorts.)
i doubt we would have to wear it in a GF but if so, it would then be introducing the new strip into the club folklore. they would have to put the strip in the middle of the circle to sing the song when we win!


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:53 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
My only fear is that one day we'll have to wear it in a Grand Final.


And...

After 15 years+ and a @#$%&! abyss in between are you suggesting you would enjoy it less if we won a flag in a clash jumper?

Of course, my preference would be navy blue, too, but I want the club to win flags, not that fussed what they're wearing when they do it.

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:01 pm 
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I like the white, I think it looks pretty good.

It's far too late for us to put the genie back in the bottle. What's done is done and now we have to live with it.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:09 pm 
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get rid of the hacks wrote:
This is a bigger issue than most ppl realise and we need to be less traditional re "away" strips, for the benefit of players, umpires and male spectators.

Most don't realise that approx 10% of the male population (players included) are red/green colour blind, which is the most common form. This effects the suferer in reducing his ability to diferentiate not only these colours, but also ones containg those primary colors (eg brown, purple, etc). It also effects the ability to distinguish different shades of colour.

Then there are the additional males that suffer other colour blindness genetics.
For those ignorant on the subject the gene is carried by the female but the condition is only active in males.

A lot of fans have trouble with distinguishing similar strips from a distance.
Aussie rules cries for adhering to "traditional" jumpers in this case is stuck in the dark ages.

Soccer clubs globally have embraced "away" strips, and have made a lot of $ selling additional merchandise b'coz of this.

Its just hard to yell "carn the whites", but those that dont get it need to realise that there must be dozens of footballers in the league suffering difficulties greater than those of us who aren't colour blind.

Poor/slow decision making may occasionally be colour confusion


Great to remind us of colour blindness.
I have had some very funny experiences with a previous business partner in business.

But do you really think the alternate strips were designed to cater for colour blindness?
I don't. Not one bit, and that has nothing to do with ignorance.

As for clubs like the Premier League in England making lots of money from merchandising their alternative strips, I don't think we (AFL clubs) have the market to make anywhere near the money the overseas clubs make.

No way we will tolerate the white jumper in a GF.
Lets make sure that is discussed at board level, amongst the members and with the AFL Commission before we get to this year's GF.

We are the old DARK NAVY Blues.

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:11 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
JohnM wrote:
My only fear is that one day we'll have to wear it in a Grand Final.


And...

After 15 years+ and a !@#$%& abyss in between are you suggesting you would enjoy it less if we won a flag in a clash jumper?

Of course, my preference would be navy blue, too, but I want the club to win flags, not that fussed what they're wearing when they do it.


Would I enjoy it less on the day? Hell no.

Would I enjoy it less when looking at the papers the next morning, seeing all the boys with the cup in their bright white outfits? A tiny bit.

Would I enjoy it less when I see our 2011 Premiership team photo's on the walls next to the 95, 82, 81, 79, 72, 70, 68... and all the other Premiership players are wearing navy blue? A fair bit more.

I'll bet St Kilda supporters wish their players didn't immediately get into Collingwood jumpers after the siren, too.

Hey, it's not a deal breaker. Just my preference. But this whole jumper clash thing is a bullshit modern invention. If you can't tell the difference between Carlton and Melbourne on the field, there's something wrong with you. Must we always cater to the lowest-common-denominator on stuff like this? Pfft.

Does the white outfit help us win flags though? Not one little bit. We wear it because Vlad and the boys tell us to. I'm pretty sure Greg Swann said something like "never again" about six white-outfits ago. Wonder what happened to that?


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:13 pm 
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Well said John M :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:17 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
I think the all white with navy emblem looks great. definitely the best alternative strip of all teams. my wife loves it. (it would look terrible with navy shorts.)
i doubt we would have to wear it in a GF but if so, it would then be introducing the new strip into the club folklore. they would have to put the strip in the middle of the circle to sing the song when we win!


17th, why do you doubt we'd have to wear it in a Grand Final? If we're being made to wear it in less important games, why would the AFL turn around and let us 'clash' with St Kilda or whoever, on their biggest day of the year?

Make no mistake: we play a supposed 'clash' team, and we're slated as the away team, we'll be wearing white on the day.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:24 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
get rid of the hacks wrote:
This is a bigger issue than most ppl realise and we need to be less traditional re "away" strips, for the benefit of players, umpires and male spectators.

Most don't realise that approx 10% of the male population (players included) are red/green colour blind, which is the most common form. This effects the suferer in reducing his ability to diferentiate not only these colours, but also ones containg those primary colors (eg brown, purple, etc). It also effects the ability to distinguish different shades of colour.

Then there are the additional males that suffer other colour blindness genetics.
For those ignorant on the subject the gene is carried by the female but the condition is only active in males.

A lot of fans have trouble with distinguishing similar strips from a distance.
Aussie rules cries for adhering to "traditional" jumpers in this case is stuck in the dark ages.

Soccer clubs globally have embraced "away" strips, and have made a lot of $ selling additional merchandise b'coz of this.

Its just hard to yell "carn the whites", but those that dont get it need to realise that there must be dozens of footballers in the league suffering difficulties greater than those of us who aren't colour blind.

Poor/slow decision making may occasionally be colour confusion


Great to remind us of colour blindness.
I have had some very funny experiences with a previous business partner in business.

But do you really think the alternate strips were designed to cater for colour blindness?
I don't. Not one bit, and that has nothing to do with ignorance.

As for clubs like the Premier League in England making lots of money from merchandising their alternative strips, I don't think we (AFL clubs) have the market to make anywhere near the money the overseas clubs make.

No way we will tolerate the white jumper in a GF.
Lets make sure that is discussed at board level, amongst the members and with the AFL Commission before we get to this year's GF.

We are the old DARK NAVY Blues.


IMO Clash strips were definately introduced here to eliminate "confusion" between similar jumpers.
Not colour blind ppl only but also the general population.

Trying telling the difference between the back of a port/tigers/ess/carlton/melb jumper from 200 meters away, high in the stands at the G.

You say the financial reward for a clash strip here is small.....so why do you think the league has insisted on them then?

If you dont think some sort of clash strip rules will be applied in a grand final I would have to disagree with you.

Football has embraced so many rule changes, umpire numbers,umpire uniforms,timeslots,broadcasting etc in the past 15 years to the betterment of the game, and increased use of clash strips will be just another in a long line of fine tuning the AFL product.

I don't know about you but I would be stoked to win No17 THIS year wearing white.
Sure beats 3 spoons as the "Old Dark Navy Blues"


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:35 pm 
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But can somebody also explain why BOTH Essendon* and St Kilda wore clash jumpers AGAINST EACH OTHER last weekend...???

Both shocking jumpers too...

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:36 pm 
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get rid of the hacks wrote:
This is a bigger issue than most ppl realise and we need to be less traditional re "away" strips, for the benefit of players, umpires and male spectators.

Most don't realise that approx 10% of the male population (players included) are red/green colour blind, which is the most common form. This effects the suferer in reducing his ability to diferentiate not only these colours, but also ones containg those primary colors (eg brown, purple, etc). It also effects the ability to distinguish different shades of colour.

I think there might be a greater concern than the uniforms if red/green colour blindness was the pressing issue...

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:41 pm 
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AFL doing a lot of work currnetly trying to develop blue grass.

Seriously if colour confusion was not an issue we would not have clash strips, and probably never have even had different home and away shorts either.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:03 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
camelboy wrote:
JohnM wrote:
My only fear is that one day we'll have to wear it in a Grand Final.


And...

After 15 years+ and a !@#$%& abyss in between are you suggesting you would enjoy it less if we won a flag in a clash jumper?

Of course, my preference would be navy blue, too, but I want the club to win flags, not that fussed what they're wearing when they do it.


Would I enjoy it less on the day? Hell no.

Would I enjoy it less when looking at the papers the next morning, seeing all the boys with the cup in their bright white outfits? A tiny bit.

Would I enjoy it less when I see our 2011 Premiership team photo's on the walls next to the 95, 82, 81, 79, 72, 70, 68... and all the other Premiership players are wearing navy blue? A fair bit more.

I'll bet St Kilda supporters wish their players didn't immediately get into Collingwood jumpers after the siren, too.

Hey, it's not a deal breaker. Just my preference. But this whole jumper clash thing is a bullshit modern invention. If you can't tell the difference between Carlton and Melbourne on the field, there's something wrong with you. Must we always cater to the lowest-common-denominator on stuff like this? Pfft.

Does the white outfit help us win flags though? Not one little bit. We wear it because Vlad and the boys tell us to. I'm pretty sure Greg Swann said something like "never again" about six white-outfits ago. Wonder what happened to that?


Yes this is what makes it confusing when reading what Anderson had to say re Hawthorn choosing their playing strip. Hawthorn have a choice but we are compelled? :confused:


As an aside, CFC merchandise revenue for 2009 was just over $1.5m.


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