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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:57 am 
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Hate pokies
Embarrassed that we need them to operate

So do I so I never play them.
What's the issue?
I worked in a casino for a few years and the entire time I was there I never saw one single person being dragged in to the gaming rooms. I did see several employees suggesting to punters they get a payout while they were well in front, however and I also saw several instances and was involved in some of them where punters were invited to leave the premises because their judgement appeared impaired by the demon drink.
There exists a mechanism whereby people who believe they have an issue may request a ban on entry to gambling premises. The security staff are then furnished with their photos and they are not allowed to enter, even if they want to. They have to request the ban be overturned.

I don't see anybody trying to close down racetracks because there are inveterate gamblers on course. Nor do I see any calls to ban TABs even though we know there are people who spend all day and half the night sitting at the bar drinking and betting and getting less and less able to think rationally as the time passes.

When we all stop benefitting from the taxes the government raises from the licences and profits we can put our hands on our hearts and say we are without stain.


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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:53 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
tasboy wrote:
Hate pokies
Embarrassed that we need them to operate

So do I so I never play them.
What's the issue?
I worked in a casino for a few years and the entire time I was there I never saw one single person being dragged in to the gaming rooms. I did see several employees suggesting to punters they get a payout while they were well in front, however and I also saw several instances and was involved in some of them where punters were invited to leave the premises because their judgement appeared impaired by the demon drink.
There exists a mechanism whereby people who believe they have an issue may request a ban on entry to gambling premises. The security staff are then furnished with their photos and they are not allowed to enter, even if they want to. They have to request the ban be overturned.

I don't see anybody trying to close down racetracks because there are inveterate gamblers on course. Nor do I see any calls to ban TABs even though we know there are people who spend all day and half the night sitting at the bar drinking and betting and getting less and less able to think rationally as the time passes.

When we all stop benefitting from the taxes the government raises from the licences and profits we can put our hands on our hearts and say we are without stain.


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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:48 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
tasboy wrote:
Hate pokies
Embarrassed that we need them to operate

So do I so I never play them.
What's the issue?
I worked in a casino for a few years and the entire time I was there I never saw one single person being dragged in to the gaming rooms. I did see several employees suggesting to punters they get a payout while they were well in front, however and I also saw several instances and was involved in some of them where punters were invited to leave the premises because their judgement appeared impaired by the demon drink.
There exists a mechanism whereby people who believe they have an issue may request a ban on entry to gambling premises. The security staff are then furnished with their photos and they are not allowed to enter, even if they want to. They have to request the ban be overturned.

I don't see anybody trying to close down racetracks because there are inveterate gamblers on course. Nor do I see any calls to ban TABs even though we know there are people who spend all day and half the night sitting at the bar drinking and betting and getting less and less able to think rationally as the time passes.

When we all stop benefitting from the taxes the government raises from the licences and profits we can put our hands on our hearts and say we are without stain.


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Yep.

I see the dangers of excess drinking and smoking. So I don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:55 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
tasboy wrote:
Hate pokies
Embarrassed that we need them to operate

So do I so I never play them.
What's the issue?
I worked in a casino for a few years and the entire time I was there I never saw one single person being dragged in to the gaming rooms. I did see several employees suggesting to punters they get a payout while they were well in front, however and I also saw several instances and was involved in some of them where punters were invited to leave the premises because their judgement appeared impaired by the demon drink.
There exists a mechanism whereby people who believe they have an issue may request a ban on entry to gambling premises. The security staff are then furnished with their photos and they are not allowed to enter, even if they want to. They have to request the ban be overturned.

I don't see anybody trying to close down racetracks because there are inveterate gamblers on course. Nor do I see any calls to ban TABs even though we know there are people who spend all day and half the night sitting at the bar drinking and betting and getting less and less able to think rationally as the time passes.

When we all stop benefitting from the taxes the government raises from the licences and profits we can put our hands on our hearts and say we are without stain.


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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:59 am 
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Bleed the vulnerable dry. Awesome.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:29 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Bleed the vulnerable dry. Awesome.


...and that's the reason why the practise should be controlled, as it once was by Victorians till the Kirner Govt introduced pokies to help pay the state's massive debt.

I know its wrong to entice the vulnerable, let alone poor, but its legal.

Whilst it is legal, its legal. What can one do? Politicians are addicted to the revenue, and I'm sure there's plenty of corruption that goes with the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:37 pm 
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Carlton could put a $1 limit on their machines

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:49 pm 
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There are big issues with pokies , esp with low income people.

But if Carlton sells their pokies, will that all go away??
I think discussing more limitations is a reasonable argument.
Selling them will just mean a commercial operator moves in, who has no responsibility to the community at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:30 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
There are big issues with pokies , esp with low income people.

But if Carlton sells their pokies, will that all go away??
I think discussing more limitations is a reasonable argument.
Selling them will just mean a commercial operator moves in, who has no responsibility to the community at all.


I dislike pokies and hate that Carlton is profiting from them.

It's easy to say self control is the answer, and I get that to a point. However, pokies are designed to win. They are designed to prey on the vulnerable. That is how they work.

I would much rather our club made no money from pokies.

But while Mathieson is around pulling strings, visible or otherwise, I can't see it changing.

Addressing the post above in particular, should I not recycle, or try to use my car less just because someone else doesn't recycle or give a crap about the use/overuse of resources?

Would you rather our club was a leader, or prefer that it sponges income from easy prey?

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:34 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
There are big issues with pokies , esp with low income people.

But if Carlton sells their pokies, will that all go away??
I think discussing more limitations is a reasonable argument.
Selling them will just mean a commercial operator moves in, who has no responsibility to the community at all.


I dislike pokies and hate that Carlton is profiting from them.

It's easy to say self control is the answer, and I get that to a point. However, pokies are designed to win. They are designed to prey on the vulnerable. That is how they work.

I would much rather our club made no money from pokies.

But while Mathieson is around pulling strings, visible or otherwise, I can't see it changing.

Addressing the post above in particular, should I not recycle, or try to use my car less just because someone else doesn't recycle or give a crap about the use/overuse of resources?

Would you rather our club was a leader, or prefer that it sponges income from easy prey?


Pokies are designed to pay out 97.5% of the money that goes in to them (in Tassie anyway). Every day when the money is collected they are opened up and the screen readout tells the govt official that accompanies the security man and the trolleys exactly how much was bet and how much was paid out. If a machine is outside the allowable parameters, it is recalibrated before it is closed.

In theory, you have a 97.5% probability of breaking even on any given machine. The issue is that people don't want to break even, they want the big payout, which is designed into the overall 97.5% programming. You can be lucky or not.

I don't think they are easy prey. There is a tiny percentage of people who can't stop. The casinos know who they are. The staff know them on a first name basis. They could be stopped from spending hours a day in casinos with the stroke of a pen. The probem is legislating against free will.


People will bet more than 1billion on the cup on Tuesday. Ponder that.

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 Post subject: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 pm 
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All easy prey of course, only the weak and destitute play pokies

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:08 pm 
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Anyone have a bet today.

Should the horsies be banned.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:44 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Anyone have a bet today.

Should the horsies be banned.

I had my annual bet.
$100 each way on........








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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:57 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Anyone have a bet today.

Should the horsies be banned.
Why would they ever ban horse racing?

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:18 pm 
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dane wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Anyone have a bet today.

Should the horsies be banned.
Why would they ever ban horse racing?
Or pokies

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:20 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
dane wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Anyone have a bet today.

Should the horsies be banned.
Why would they ever ban horse racing?
Or pokies

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There you go. I got a bite. :smile:

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