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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:26 am 
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JohnM wrote:
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Once again blame everything but the people who become addicted to pokies.....


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Having a black & white viewpoint on this is dangerously simplistic.

Obviously it's a complex issue, and blame (or perhaps responsibility is a better term) can be apportioned across all groups:

Governments have to take much of the blame for allowing pokie numbers to escalate so rapidly.
Owners of machines have to accept that in the chase for profits, they are actually preying on the most vulnerable members of society.
And gamblers should exercise greater self-control, and take more responsibility for their own actions. But not so easy when you are emotionally vulnerable and presented with a 'leisure' activity that is at once very addictive and very harmful.

For me, this is a classic example of what happens when you get a failure of genuine leadership at a Government level. These people are elected to create sensible policy that serves the greater good... and in the State of Victoria, successive Governments from Kirner to Kennett to Bracks to Brumby have failed to do so in this instance.

Either through a lack of understanding, a lack of will, actual malicious intent or sheer incompetence they've allowed pokies to gain a very large hold over the State finances, over our pub culture, and over the lives of the economically vulnerable.

You can't expect Carlton Football Club or Woolworths or the guy who owns the pub to willingly give up an easy profit stream that is perfectly legal: that's why we have Governments, who can enact policies, and regulate these things for the good of all - businesses, individuals and the Government coffers.

It's a failure of Governance, pure and simple.


Well as I said above the current federal government together with 2 independents ARE about to DO SOMETHING by putting forward new legislation so let's show some initiative and get on the front foot and promote ourselves as an organisation, that while profiting from pokies, we do it with a sense of social responsibility and support it.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:46 am 
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i don't think that Carlton FC should be promoting proposed legistlation. It's not our place until it becomes law.
I'm happy for the club to participate in responsible gambling initiatives but I'm not sure it's our role to be leading the anti-pokies brigade.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:36 pm 
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The bottom line is that pokies are preying on the weak. There is no way this can be justified. It's a greedy and selfish act. Three things you can do...

1. Do nothing
2. Support it
3. Go against it

Carlton could easily just have said no. If they don't want to work hard for that extra money they need or want then they don't deserve it.


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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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So neither Carlton nor Bruce M know that Carlton is buying 30 pokie machine licenses :confused: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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Surely there are other ways to increase revenue ? *sigh*

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:56 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Surely there are other ways to increase revenue ? *sigh*


Sure. But none of them are this easy.

Screw it. It's the Government's job to limit the number of poker machines. If they won't do what's right for the people they're elected to represent, why should a professional sporting organisation be expected to do their job for them?

While the Government is happy to have pokies, I'd rather football clubs got the revenue from them than Woolworths or James Packer.


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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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JohnM wrote:
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Surely there are other ways to increase revenue ? *sigh*


Sure. But none of them are this easy.

Screw it. It's the Government's job to limit the number of poker machines. If they won't do what's right for the people they're elected to represent, why should a professional sporting organisation be expected to do their job for them?

While the Government is happy to have pokies, I'd rather football clubs got the revenue from them than Woolworths or James Packer.


I suppose everyone has a degree of social conscience in them, some more than others.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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While we're at it, let's also slam the AFL for serving alcohol at their matches and a few of the clubs (including our own) for having piss companies as sponsors. It is a serious addiction, tears families apart, and kills several people per year. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011 ... 190919.htm

So, given that a vast majority of Australians are in favour of pokie reform and the likelyhood of reform measures being legislated, I wonder how this might project on our financial situation in the future given our current large debt ?

Instead of taking the easy route out of debt, we (hopefully) may be forced to find other more socially responsible forms of revenue raising. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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http://www.theage.com.au/national/kenne ... 1doyk.html

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According to modelling by Clubs Australia, Hawthorn would have to spend $1.125 million to upgrade its 75 machines to adopt a mandatory pre-commitment system. It found the Western Bulldogs would have to spend about $2.85 million on its 190 machines, while Carlton would face a bill of $4.35 million for 290 machines.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:46 am 
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Good find Effes :thumbsup:

If that figure is correct, it could set back our debt reduction program.

The board needs to get on its skates and find alternative (and more socially responsible) revenue sources QUICKLY !

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:51 am 
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So, North Melbourne have sat out of these pokie feasts enjoyed by all other clubs for reasons of conscience? Is that right?

Huge respect to North if so.


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 Post subject: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:32 pm 
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Guys this isn't a political thread. If you want to talk about such matters, find or start a thread in TalkingStuff. Obviously there is a political flavour to all of this, but it relates back to the social responsibilities of Carlton, and the effect of incoming and floated policies to the club's revenue.

If anyone wants to continue down this line of discussion in this thread, I'll just split out the posts and make the thread in TalkingStuff for you, and you won't be in my good graces. Your choice.

Remember, it's about pokies AND the club. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:10 pm 
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stroby1 wrote:
So, North Melbourne have sat out of these pokie feasts enjoyed by all other clubs for reasons of conscience? Is that right?

Huge respect to North if so.


They are sponsored by Roobet.com.au. They have sold their membership database to a betting agency who hassle their members to open an account.

Same shit different smell.


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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:21 pm 
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Sorry.
For some silly reason I thought that Wilkie's politics were going to cost the club money. That's the important bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:08 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Guys this isn't a political thread. If you want to talk about policy matters, find or start a thread in TalkingStuff. Obviously there is a political flavour to all of this, but it relates back to the social responsibilities of Carlton, and the effect of incoming and floated policies to the club's revenue.

If anyone wants to continue down this line of discussion in this thread, I'll just split out the posts and make the thread in TalkingStuff for you, and you won't be in my good graces. Your choice.

Remember, it's about pokies AND the club. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news ... 1kr99.html
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During grand final week the AFL and NRL are planning to run television advertisements against mandatory pre-commitment technology for high-intensity pokies.

Disgusted by this.

Shame on the AFL and shame on Carlton if they're involved.

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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Oddly Carlton wasn't included in the reporting but Eddie everywhere was fron and centre

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 Post subject: Re: Filthy Lucre
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JohnM wrote:
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Surely there are other ways to increase revenue ? *sigh*


Sure. But none of them are this easy.

Screw it. It's the Government's job to limit the number of poker machines. If they won't do what's right for the people they're elected to represent, why should a professional sporting organisation be expected to do their job for them?

While the Government is happy to have pokies, I'd rather football clubs got the revenue from them than Woolworths or James Packer.



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