PRO:
We are able to win midfield battles even without Judd
CON:
We dont have a forward line to capitalise on it
Bower was a HUGE loss
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| Author: | Effes [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | R2: Pros and Cons |
Pros: *Generally dominated a lot of the play - clearances, contested possessions, possession, inside 50s *Another game under Waite's belt *Murphy looks very fit *Scooter through the middle along with Brock *Kreuzer's ferociousness *Plenty of scoring opportunities *Henderson looked great leading but also at ground level - lots to look forward to. Cons: *Inability to convert when opportunities were there - cost us the game *Had to do too much work in the third qtr - ran out of legs *Defending kickouts *Joe Anderson's lack of composure and skill. Don't doubt his courage/effort but you can't afford to have someone in the team with such poor decision making ability. |
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| Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Cons: Not enough from the midfield when it counted, failed a test without Judd Betts had a mare Anderson...enough said, or possibly not Pros: Another game under Hendo's belt McLean good again Fev didn't kick the match winner I was pretty proud of them tonight, not all doom and gloom. Not too many teams will go that close at the Gabba. |
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| Author: | cuddles [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Con kicking at goal which ultimately cost us the game Pro Clearance work of Scotland & McLean, absolutely sensational |
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| Author: | simonverbeek [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
When you have to work so hard to kick goals, the sheer effort of scoring them will take it toll. PROS 1. Clearances and hard ball gets – never before have I seen a losing Carlton team dominate so authoritatively at the contested ball. Well done o the ruckmen and midfielders. 2. Scotland – racked em up. 3. Rucks – Can’t speak highly enough of Kreuzer, and Warnock was good at the clearances. We now hold our own in the ruck. 4. Murph – went bananas in the third quarter with a hard tag on him. 5. Simpson – brought the team back in the second half. CONS 1. The obvious – we labour for our goals. Really labour. And it’s going to make things tough for a long time. 2. Judd wouldn’t have made a difference – weird con, I know, but our midfield had a near complete victory. Add Judd and we have the same problem of goals coming at a premium. 3. Conceding uncontested marks in the centre corridor – it happens too often that some guy is standing alone at CHF for the opposition, and then it is a training drill for the opposition to create a score. Must protect the corridor better. 4. Getting bogged down in the back pocket and HBF – has been happening for too often now. We have a mark in our D50 and our players don’t spread o run hard to create options. Long kick, turnover, opposition goal. Too common. 5. Joe Anderson appears out of his depth too often. Hopefully he gets better. Its gonna be very hard work over the next few months. |
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| Author: | TheBluesMuse [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
I didn't count Joey as a con tonight..... Which is a pro....for me....probably |
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| Author: | BlueDiesel [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Cons: Not enough from the midfield when it counted, failed a test without Judd Are you for real man? |
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| Author: | TheBluesMuse [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
BlueDiesel wrote: Are you for real man? You referring to my manlihood? |
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| Author: | shuffagus [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Pros: kreuzer murph jamison brock scotland cons: obviously accuracy and eddie betts |
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| Author: | Headcutter [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Pros: An honourable lost, won more of the ball and hard ball gets, but just lacked polish when required Kreuzer and Murph...........wow!! Entire midfield was exceptional - big pat on the back to all (special mention to scotland) Jamo did great job Defence worked pretty well despite missing Bower who would have gone onto brown when T-bird getting killed Showed application and pressure all night Ratts coached well, especially in 3rd qtr when he changed route inside 50 Cons: We didnt win!!!! Hendo does not look intense enough with second efforts, need to hit ball and man harder. (but played pretty welll) Betts had a shocker (it happens) Goal kicking let us down few critical errors at crucial times seems to be a common occurrance over last few yrs. Having to see Fev's disgusting ugly mug Overall I am disappointed not to win but I am proud of the team. Put Judd and Bower in the team and we would have won |
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| Author: | Teddy Hopkins Son [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Pros: Simmo- not massive stats but worked his ass off Murphs first 3 qtrs Scotlands work esp. in close Krezuer- How much has his ruck work improved over summer? In the first half it felt like he was winning all the taps and they were all gonig to advantage. I think he will be wearing a cape by 2011. Cons: Anderson Lack of composure and skilful finishing for 3 of 4 qtrs We still dont have that gorilla backman- Aussie We didn't get Brown in the Fev trade |
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| Author: | ScottSaunders [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
not overly dissappointed (you are always dissappointed when you lose) but really, for me that was a lost opportunity. 3.10 after a half of footy and you are always going to struggle. betts had a nightmare, no judd, and j.brown had a day out, and we lost by 3 goals. 3 goals, away from home, against a side many think are top 4. if you told me that at the start of the game, you would take it every time. still, IMO, we should have won that game. |
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| Author: | marciblue [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
PRO: We are able to win midfield battles even without Judd CON: We dont have a forward line to capitalise on it Bower was a HUGE loss
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| Author: | Mark J [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Pro's: Scotto Carlos Kruez McLean Russell Joseph Con's Eddie....shocker Yazz...." " " Warnock...is it possible for him to take an overhead mark? |
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Pros Could have got ugly after half time but didnt Hendo and Setanta -a couple of developing key position forwards Murphy mclean gibbs scotland Rucks beat Brisbane comprehensively Jamos game on fev -hollywood did hardly anything - his interview after game nearly crying -he doesnt want to be there Con Kicking for goal atrocious Didnt take chances Eddie never seen such bad conversion from him and Yarran as well - Bower would have been handy tonight Defence shakey tonight Turnovers cost a number of goals Last quarters against Brisbane Brown always stars against us and never misses even from 55 out n |
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| Author: | marciblue [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
frank dardew wrote: Jamos game on fev -hollywood did hardly anything - his interview after game nearly crying -he doesnt want to be there Noted the same thing, even the missus commented on that interview. He still loves Carlton. And i am sorry, but I am one of the few who are still sad that Fev isn't at Carlton, but seeing him play for them and his comments after the game were depressing Why oh why Fev! |
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| Author: | MIL [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
PROS Midfield dominance until the last Q when "no neck" racked up getting touches by hanging out the back and waiting for our turnovers Hendo showed signs (gee I hate waiting for KPs to develop though) JR was almost faultless yet again. Ando's 2nd half  Cons Andos first half  Eddie's Gabba record.....1 goal.  Kruez will cop a shocking injury one day the way he runs in with his head down all the time One or 2 more goals at the finish of the 3rd would have won it for us, as we were all over them. Our next 6 games
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| Author: | redskins [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Pros- Kruezer will be an all time great. Notice his effort to run the whole ground and get involved in the forward line only moments later...should have kicked the goal though. Serious man-crush going on there. Anderson's second half... Could have easily dropped his head, but went the other way, and showed more than he ever has.. IMO Simpson starting at Full forward in the 3rd qtr..was the spark Mclean, Scotland, Murphy & Gibbs all very good Hendo and Ohailpin looked ok and are a work in progress, but signs are positive. Yarran was ordinary, but never stopped chasing, harassing and tackling. If you are having a shocker, at least do this. The first time he has done this. Cons - Why didnt Ratts move Waite to Brown and try Thornton up forward. When he moved Setanta to Brown in the 3rd, it showed that we were intimidated. Let them worry about us. I believe this was the turning point as we were still up and looking more likely to score . Our turnovers cost us goals, theirs didnt. |
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| Author: | bluehammer [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Pro's: Kreuzer is incredible. Whilst our forward line still needs a lot of work, there is a system there and with only 2 proper games under their belt they're at least showing signs. Henderson finds good position but drops too many marks. Con's: brisbane didn't win by +39.5  Jonathan Brown doesn't play for us. |
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Marciblue I was sad initially but not anymore I think we have seen the best of fev in any case on field and couldnt put up with him anymore with his histrionics both on and off the field - in the long run we will be a better side than Brisbane as they have effectively sold the farm to get a premiership ie recruiting Maguire Fev Staker buchanan clarke and they still arent as good as Saints carringbush dogs or cats -their best players are still brown black power etc -they cant hang on much longer Lets see whether they beat us if they come to Melbourne in a number of weeks time In any case Im now enjoying the development of Hendo yarran ando who I think is developing as a player |
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| Author: | Fabulous [ Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: R2: Pros and Cons |
Pros: Winning the clearances Russells work in the backline Scotland and McLeans grund work Simpson and Murphy owned the 3rd qtr kruezers rucking and roving Cons Gibbs needs to work on his gut running (harsh call but he has the ability to be the best mid in the comp) Lost opportunity to be 2 and zip Andersons 1st half Walker is wasted in the backline (he's an x factor who could be a very good forward) Seeing fev in a Lions jumper Forward entries and innacurate kicking in the first half |
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