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Waite - Anything to worry about? No case to answer.
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Author:  Wojee [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:17 am ]
Post subject:  Waite - Anything to worry about? No case to answer.
Following on from the Pros and Cons thread.

Mitch for PM wrote:
Wojee wrote:

It's been mentioned a couple of times.
I don't think Waite should be suspended for it, a reprimand would even be over the top IMO.


Oh ok, I’ll get back in my box now. But clenched fist + direct contact to the face = gone imo. But hey I was wrong about it not being raised as a con previously so hopefully im wrong again!


Clenched fist to the face yes, but it was incidental contact given that Waite was grappling with another Richmond player and couldn't even see the bloke he whacked.
Author:  exsing [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:23 am ]
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My defence would be: "I was throwing my arms about in an effort to break free as I was struggling to breathe from the headlock I was put in"
Author:  teagueyubeauty [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:24 am ]
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Wojee wrote:
Clenched fist to the face yes, but it was incidental contact given that Waite was grappling with another Richmond player and couldn't even see the bloke he whacked.
Exactly. He had absolutely no idea he was there. However, the points system has me worried and this case will be another point where it doesn't work for all offences.

I'm tipping he'll get carry over points because it was high and low impact. Does unintentional lesson the crime? who knows.
Author:  Mrs Caz [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:24 am ]
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My defence would be: "But it was a Richmond player".
Author:  Lurker Blue [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:29 am ]
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I reckon it'll either be:

Conduct - Negligent
Impact - Low
Contact - High
= Level 1
Which for striking means 80 points; thus a reprimand.

Or:

Conduct - Reckless
Impact - Low
Contact - High
= Level 2
Which for striking means 125 points; thus a 1 match suspension.

I don't know if Waite will get any discount for good behaviour.

Taking into account a 25% discount for an early guilty plea, and he'd only get a reprimand.
Author:  exsing [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:30 am ]
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Mrs Caz wrote:
My defence would be: "But it was a Richmond player".


Panel: All charges dismissed!

:lol:
Author:  bluechucky [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:35 am ]
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One of those "who the @#$%&! knows" cases IMHO. Could go either way.
Author:  teagueyubeauty [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:47 pm ]
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Does he have any carry over points.
Author:  Effes [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:50 pm ]
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70 IIRC

It'll be Wheel of Fortune
Author:  Lurker Blue [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:03 pm ]
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Anyone know how many matches Waite has been suspended for over the last three years?

Because that could add a loading of anywhere between 10% - 50%.
Author:  jim [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:11 pm ]
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If one gets done for that there is something extremely wrong with the system.
Author:  Jez1966 [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:05 pm ]
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IIRC Waite got suspended 2 years ago against Freo (the game where Pfiefer kicked the winning goal).

There was no intent to hit and you can see by his reaction (with his hand) that he actually hit someone.
Author:  Donstuie [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:13 pm ]
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bluechucky wrote:
One of those "who the !@#$%& knows" cases IMHO. Could go either way.

Like every other case that goes before the MRP
Author:  nck [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:06 pm ]
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Going by Fanfooty he will have a loading of 10% on any penalty but his 73.75 carryover points were from Round 9 2008, and they expire after a year don't they? So he should only have the 10% loading
Author:  Crusader [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:23 pm ]
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Lurker Blue wrote:
Conduct - Reckless

He would've known that throwing one was likely to connect but, with his head down, it could just as easily been Warnock's chest instead of the Richmond player's chin.

He won't miss a game, but he should have the points carry over.... An excellent result if nothing comes of it.
Author:  nightcrawler [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:25 pm ]
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I think common sense will be applied.
Author:  Megaman [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:29 pm ]
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nightcrawler wrote:
I think common sense will be applied.

:lol:
Author:  Yarsii [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:39 pm ]
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nightcrawler wrote:
I think common sense will be applied.


Somehow i get the feeling it wont be applied
Author:  klakker [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:17 am ]
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I have that funny feeling too Yarsii . Buggar !!! :banghead:


Here's hoping though .
Author:  Lurker Blue [ Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:13 am ]
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nck wrote:
Going by Fanfooty he will have a loading of 10% on any penalty but his 73.75 carryover points were from Round 9 2008, and they expire after a year don't they? So he should only have the 10% loading

This is correct.

So if negligent 80 points + 10% loading for previous suspension (80+8=88) - 25% for early guilty plea (88-22=66) = reprimand with 66 carryover points.

If reckless 125 points + 10% loading for previous suspension (125+12.5=137.5) - 25% for early guilty plea (137.5-34.375=103.125) = 1 match suspension with 3.125 carryover points.
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