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Author:  Virgin Blue [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:  This is how we can kick enough goals
THIS IS HOW WE CAN KICK ENOUGH GOALS

All the talk off season has been about how we can replace Fevola, with many depressed fans already diving for the razor blades convinced we are doomed without a stand-out goal kicker. But when you look at the stats, and make some (in my view) not unrealistic predictions, it is clear all is not necessarily lost.

Here is a fact - you don't have to have a champion goal kicker to be a Premiership contender. In fact, Geelong won the Premireship last year with Mooney topping the goal kicking with less than 50 goals. Ditto Collingwood, a very, very competitive side, didn't have a player boot 50+ goals in 2009 also. Of course Geelong had an unbelievable midfield, but then recent history shows you need a brilliant midfield to win Premierships.


GEELONG 2009 x9 goalkickers

Mooney 46
Johnson 40
Chapman 37
Hawkins 34
Byrnes 32
Stokes 29
Ablett 27
Rooke 24
Varcoe 22

Total 291

COLLINGWOOD 2009 x9 goalkickers

Anthony 50
Davis 35
Lockyer 32
Cloke 22
Dick 22
Medhurst 22
Didak 20
Swan 18
Thomas 16

Total 237

CARLTON 2010/2011???

Betts 38 (2009)
Murphy 31 (2009)
Waite 50 (played 9 games last year but kicked 3 gls on 3 ocassions. Kicked 36 gls in 2005, and during a patch of 5 consecutive games in 2007 kicked 4,3,4,1,5 gls when used as a key forward, that's an avg of 3.4 gls/game, which is not far off what Fevola averaged last year - 3.8. At 3.4 gls/game, Waite could conceivably kick 75 gls in 22 rounds, so my prediction of 50 is, if anything, understated).
O'hAilpin 22 (I don't think it is unreasonable to expect 1 gl/game in 2010, anyone who saw the game yesterday would agree)
Henderson 22 (I don't think it is unreasonable to expect 1 gl/game in 2010, anyone who saw the game yesterday would agree)
Yarran 22 (Reckon he is good for a goal a game too)
Judd 30 (twice kicked 29 gls when at WC)
Robinson 15 (kicked multiple gls the last two games)
Simpson 15 (2009)
Gibbs 15 (2009)
Kruezer 13 (2009)

Total 273
Author:  Cazzesman [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: THIS IS HOW WE CAN KICK ENOUGH GOALS
I think it is fair to say we probably won't be a 15-20 gl team in 2010 until we get things sorted up forward so we have to keep the opposition to 10-13 most weeks to be in with a chance. The midfield will have to get back and clog up the oppositions forward line. I can see all the lines pushing well up into defense this year.

Offensively we will have to have abit of a Pagans paddock happening when rushing forward. Kicking over the head of the forwards as they lead back toward goal. That's where the indigenous boys and their leg speed should come into play. Even isolating Yaz and or Walks 1 out inside 50 at times would cause opposition problems if they just kick out infront of him.

Regards Cazzesman
Author:  Rexy [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:40 pm ]
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Cazzesman wrote:
I think it is fair to say we probably won't be a 15-20 gl team in 2010 until we get things sorted up forward so we have to keep the opposition to 10-13 most weeks to be in with a chance. The midfield will have to get back and clog up the oppositions forward line. I can see all the lines pushing well up into defense this year.

Offensively we will have to have abit of a Pagans paddock happening when rushing forward. Kicking over the head of the forwards as they lead back toward goal. That's where the indigenous boys and their leg speed should come into play. Even isolating Yaz and or Walks 1 out inside 50 at times would cause opposition problems if they just kick out infront of him.

Regards Cazzesman


Are we sure we want to use Denis Pagans game plans? I mean, we tried that once and things didn't go to well.
Author:  maxyblue [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:59 pm ]
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Cazzesman wrote:
I think it is fair to say we probably won't be a 15-20 gl team in 2010 until we get things sorted up forward so we have to keep the opposition to 10-13 most weeks to be in with a chance. The midfield will have to get back and clog up the oppositions forward line. I can see all the lines pushing well up into defense this year.

Offensively we will have to have abit of a Pagans paddock happening when rushing forward. Kicking over the head of the forwards as they lead back toward goal. That's where the indigenous boys and their leg speed should come into play. Even isolating Yaz and or Walks 1 out inside 50 at times would cause opposition problems if they just kick out infront of him.

Regards Cazzesman


yes, definitely saw signs of that yesterday against brisbane. our FF line was almost in midfield at times when brisbane was attacking. gibbs beautifully kicked over brisbane's defence to find hendo (who handballed to betts for a goal).

stating the bleeding obvious i know, but we need to execute the transition far better to pull it off. need to become really slick when running the ball out of our back 50 and make sure a polished user is on the end of things kicking into the F50.
Author:  club29 [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:43 pm ]
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Get slicker with out hands in close and and use the ball well once outside and the goals will come. So far in our praccy games we have been scrappy so scoring has been difficult and on top of that our turn overs have cost us goals the other way.
Author:  camel [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:05 pm ]
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Good thread. :beer:

The theory of not needing a key forward to kick bags of goals is not new. But, and continuing the Geelong example, even though Mooney doesn't kick a lot of goals he is very, very important to their team ... you know, structure up, straighten up, all that jargon.

I agree that we might tread water a bit in 2010 while we adjust and I even share some trepidation that our coaching staff might be a bit out of their depth too. However, we're going to need to see out this season first to see how we cope without Fev.

The good news is we do have a few irons in the fire in regards to key forwards. Just a shame we will need to persist with being patient for a bit longer than we might have liked. In theory, though, having a less obvious forward set up should benefit us long term.

There will be good days and there will be bad days.

Kind of like when Fev was still around really. :lol:
Author:  Mrs Caz [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:08 pm ]
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I think if we can get everyone to kick the ball through the big sticks and not the little ones, we will probably win a few games.




Dunno...just a theory I have. :razz:
Author:  Cazzesman [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: THIS IS HOW WE CAN KICK ENOUGH GOALS
Rexy wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
I think it is fair to say we probably won't be a 15-20 gl team in 2010 until we get things sorted up forward so we have to keep the opposition to 10-13 most weeks to be in with a chance. The midfield will have to get back and clog up the oppositions forward line. I can see all the lines pushing well up into defense this year.

Offensively we will have to have abit of a Pagans paddock happening when rushing forward. Kicking over the head of the forwards as they lead back toward goal. That's where the indigenous boys and their leg speed should come into play. Even isolating Yaz and or Walks 1 out inside 50 at times would cause opposition problems if they just kick out infront of him.

Regards Cazzesman


Are we sure we want to use Denis Pagans game plans? I mean, we tried that once and things didn't go to well.


I did say Abit :wink: Hopefully the overall abilities of our individuals and the team have improved since DP left.

Regards Cazzesman
Author:  Dodo27 [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:08 pm ]
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There can only be one Solution. Our midfielders have to be kicking Goals and plenty of them.


Judd's Weakest link so far is his goal kicking. He hasnt kicked enough of them in the Navy Blue jumper, so if he can improve on then ( since he will be playing forward a bit), then that would be great.
Author:  tommi [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:51 pm ]
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Say pleeeease..............!


kindest regards tommi
Author:  blueycarlton [ Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:56 pm ]
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The key to winning games is the defence.
It doesn't matter how many goals are scored as long as we out score our opponents.
The defence improved a hell of a lot last year, and a further improvement will come this season,
provided there are no long term injuries.
If the defence can do without Waite as it did for most of last year, then he can add that extra dimension up front.
He will be very hard to handle and will have 2 defenders on him most of the time. This means one of Kreuzer/Santy/Hendo/Hampson will get the third best defender.
Betts wil have to av. 2 goals a game, Murphy nearly that as well. With regular contributions from the others.
We never had the No1. goal kicker in our premiership years, but we had the best or second best defence.
I'm quite optimistic about the coming season.
Author:  klakker [ Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:17 am ]
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You're right bluey . Quote " It doesn't matter how many goals are scored , as long as we out score our opponents " .

Should win a lot of games if we can do that . :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Author:  Blue Sombrero [ Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:11 am ]
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The maths are great but I think we have to be prepared to take a small backwards step or mark time this season while we get sorted out. I also think the absence of Judd for the first three weeks while we are trying a new gameplan won't help.
A chook running around without its head isn't the best bet to do anything good. Add Murphy to the list of absentees and our second-string midfield will have their work cut out.
On paper, the Tigers have a great midfield if they all line up for round one. I reckon we have to throw caution to the wind and put Gibbs at the centra bounce as much as possble.
Round two angainst Brisbane, ditto. Saturday's game against Brisbane was a good win but they had their reserves midfield in town.
Round three against Essendon* is against a team who beat us twice next year. Hopefully Murphy will be back in town by then to help out.
I also think we have to be careful of how much we expect Waite to achieve this season. It is not uncommon for players with a reco to take two years to get back.
Eddie, Setanta and Henderson will have to kick the goals for us this year IMO witht he others coming from the lst above. I have a feeling Simmo will also get a few. He had a few pings last year but was over-inclined to dish off to Fev when he ran through fifty, which he does a lot.
Nicely put together, by the way, VB.
Author:  Sam Sunshine [ Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:18 am ]
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We never had the No1. goal kicker in our premiership years, but we had the best or second best defence.
I'm quite optimistic about the coming season.

[color=#0000FF] This is the key. When CFC had the number 1 goal kicker they were never a serios contending for the GF let alon the premiership.

It is a team game and whole team needs a focus of scoring more than thte opposition in enough games to get into the Finals and then win the critical finals games under immense pressure.

It is relatively easy to map out how it works.

Its the execution of this strategy that gets a bit more difficult [/color]
Author:  Rocco Iguana [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:22 pm ]
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oops, put this in the wrong spot :donk:
Author:  Virgin Blue [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:03 pm ]
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Agree defense is very important

Good thing Bower, Jamison, Joseph, Armfield, are all pups
Author:  Rocco Iguana [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:47 am ]
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my guru told me the only thing that matters is that we are at least 1 point ahead of the opposition when the last siren sounds.

very clever my guru :smoking:
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