I think people seem to forget we got Judd in the trade. The amount of times you hear 'how handy would JK be right now?' - probably not as handy as Judd you'd think

Just imagine if we knew what was coming and was able to use Fev in the Judd deal instead of JK !!!!!!!!!!!! It would have been close to a fair swap of players, with probably an improvement of the WCE's 2nd rd pick. Something like

Eagles. Judd + #35.
Carlton. Fev + #20.

Remember Fev would have been what, 26 yrs old (about the prime for a KPF), won the Coleman in 2006, the WCE would have still had a quality list having just played finals (despite losing x2 elite midfielders) and having Fev would have meant no fall down the ladder. A star KPF for a star Midfielder who nominated Carlton would have been a pretty even deal.

It would have meant that we kept Kennedy (who would become our focal point), probably picked up Palmer with #3 (although the fact we just got Judd into the midfield and lost Fev may have meant we would have gone for the best KPF with #3, ala HENDERSON) and someone with #35 (not sure who here .......). We probably would have also had a slightly better positioning in the 2008 draft (may have gone for Hurley but the club has said they prefered Yarran anyway) and NitNat wouldn't have done to the Eagles (prob be at the Dockers instead)


Oh it's fun to speculate !!!!!!!!! lol

WC wouldnt have accepted a Judd/Fev trade.

If talking hypotheticals...
we could have not done the trade and picked up kreuzer+rioli+otten for that draft whilst keeping kennedy

When Fev stuffed up we'd still have henderson+mclean

And given that we'd have rioli, we might have passed on yarran and picked up rich.

End result we'd have
kennedy+henderson+kreuzer+rioli+otten+mclean+rich to go with murphy, gibbs etc

otten+rich+mclean+murphy+gibbs+others would cover our midfield needs

rioli+betts+garlett would cover our small forwards

kennedy+kreuzer+henderson would cover our keyforward needs (and potentially keybacks if henderson was played back)

all theoretical fun and games - we've got judd so thats all that needs to be worried about

Just imagine if we knew what was coming and was able to use Fev in the Judd deal instead of JK !!!!!!!!!!!! It would have been close to a fair swap of players, with probably an improvement of the WCE's 2nd rd pick. Something like

Eagles. Judd + #35.
Carlton. Fev + #20.

Remember Fev would have been what, 26 yrs old (about the prime for a KPF), won the Coleman in 2006, the WCE would have still had a quality list having just played finals (despite losing x2 elite midfielders) and having Fev would have meant no fall down the ladder. A star KPF for a star Midfielder who nominated Carlton would have been a pretty even deal.

It would have meant that we kept Kennedy (who would become our focal point), probably picked up Palmer with #3 (although the fact we just got Judd into the midfield and lost Fev may have meant we would have gone for the best KPF with #3, ala HENDERSON) and someone with #35 (not sure who here .......). We probably would have also had a slightly better positioning in the 2008 draft (may have gone for Hurley but the club has said they prefered Yarran anyway) and NitNat wouldn't have done to the Eagles (prob be at the Dockers instead)


Oh it's fun to speculate !!!!!!!!! lol

Was Judd the right man for Carlton at the stage of its cycle?

Did he help the Blues advance too rapidly?

That is doubtful for Carlton had endured several bottoming-out years before Judd arrived.

The difficulty in comparing the two clubs' experiences and timing was that Carlton's list was so poor and depleted its process of regeneration has taken longer. It has improved but is still pot-holed.

Now, of course, matters are complicated by the Fevola trade - which could well be the deal Carlton reflects on in two years as having been the critical exchange with long-term benefit.