Will be interesting to see how they write up the opening of the new facilities and new sponsorship.
To tell you the truth it will be interesting to see how some on here write up a few of the upcoming positives
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| Author: | BlueMark [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The "Bad" Club |
So we have now had a number of clubs engaged in really embrassing behaviour These clubs have had players charged with or are under investigation serious offences. One club in particular has a player with a well established public history of misbehaviour and 'association' with people with dubious reputations. Antoher has had a series of sexual misconduct against its players going back now a couple of years Now our players are no angels and going out getting pissed and acting like nobs deserves condemnation. But this behaviour while distasteful pales into comparasion to the other clubs player behaviours. But the question is this. Why is it that our club is the only club to have been formally to have been formally sanctioned by the AFL and to have been required to have our players attend 're-education' classes? Is this the same double standard the occured during the salary cap saga, where other clubs were known to have transgressed the same way we had but only more creativitly? Why are we the "bad boys' club? And others the 'Goodie Two Shoes" club despite the ongoing behaviour of its players? People wonder why I have a instense dislike of the senior AFL management and have no interest in the other clubs. As time goes by it is increasingly clear that the AFL has a 'set' against Carlton and that no matter what the other clubs do, we will always be the 'bad' club. Well, screw the AFL and the other clubs. They can all rot in hell. Cheers BM |
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| Author: | BlueMark [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
Oh, and before I forget, the "little paper' can go and flower itself as well. |
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| Author: | budzy [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
Oh stop the sooking ffs!! We've had players and officials from right throughout our history involve themselves in all manner of dubious behaviour. We've deserved everything we've copped. Why don't other clubs face the same level of AFL/media wrath as we do? I don't know and I don't flowering care!!!!!!! Let us just do the right thing and be professional and we won't get anymore negative attention. Problem solved!! |
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| Author: | JohnM [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
It's actually pretty simple I think. Because the entire playing list got pissed on a boat, not long after the club had to get rid of Fev for getting pissed at the Brownlow, the media and the general public see the club as having the problem. Because not one or two but three players got into trouble, and the whole playing list was on the boat. But when Hurley bashes a taxi driver, and Stokes buys cocaine, and etc, etc... that's seen as individuals stuffing up, not a club culture at fault. Now, if stokes was sprung buying and distributing coke at a BBQ where the whole Geelong list was there... they'd be going through an absolute shitstorm as a club. Right now, it's just Stokes who made a very bad decision. We may see it as a subtle difference, but it's still a difference nonetheless. That's why when a certain carlton player got into trouble a couple of years back for a drinking incident, the club didn't get a pasting from the media... because it's just the one guy. The media loves a good anthem. Whole list on 'booze cruise'... we really made it all too easy for them. |
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| Author: | club29 [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
Will be interesting to see how they write up the opening of the new facilities and new sponsorship. To tell you the truth it will be interesting to see how some on here write up a few of the upcoming positives
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| Author: | Captain Dan [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
Too many off-field misterbeaners in a short time will do that to a club. Little do some of the players realise the impact it can collectively have on the brand. The only way to shake this 'bad' image is to do what Chris Judd said..."behave our way out of it". JohnM hits the nail right on the head in regard to some of the differences. Mostly at other clubs it is individuals mucking up and not large numbers of players. All I can say is, it is lucky that this footy club has such a large and loyal supporter base, otherwise we would struggle for members due to some of the shenanigans that go on off the field. |
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
Agree John M too easy -like shelling peas- but echoing Blueys comments How lucky were those dawks a couple of years ago - wonder whether AFL would have sought injunction if it had been other club |
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| Author: | JackWorrall [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
JohnM wrote: It's actually pretty simple I think. Because the entire playing list got pissed on a boat, not long after the club had to get rid of Fev for getting pissed at the Brownlow, the media and the general public see the club as having the problem. Because not one or two but three players got into trouble, and the whole playing list was on the boat. But when Hurley bashes a taxi driver, and Stokes buys cocaine, and etc, etc... that's seen as individuals stuffing up, not a club culture at fault. Now, if stokes was sprung buying and distributing coke at a BBQ where the whole Geelong list was there... they'd be going through an absolute shitstorm as a club. Right now, it's just Stokes who made a very bad decision. We may see it as a subtle difference, but it's still a difference nonetheless. That's why when a certain carlton player got into trouble a couple of years back for a drinking incident, the club didn't get a pasting from the media... because it's just the one guy. The media loves a good anthem. Whole list on 'booze cruise'... we really made it all too easy for them. Succinct. |
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
JohnM wrote: It's actually pretty simple I think. Because the entire playing list got pissed on a boat, not long after the club had to get rid of Fev for getting pissed at the Brownlow, the media and the general public see the club as having the problem. Because not one or two but three players got into trouble, and the whole playing list was on the boat. But when Hurley bashes a taxi driver, and Stokes buys cocaine, and etc, etc... that's seen as individuals stuffing up, not a club culture at fault. Now, if stokes was sprung buying and distributing coke at a BBQ where the whole Geelong list was there... they'd be going through an absolute shitstorm as a club. Right now, it's just Stokes who made a very bad decision. We may see it as a subtle difference, but it's still a difference nonetheless. That's why when a certain carlton player got into trouble a couple of years back for a drinking incident, the club didn't get a pasting from the media... because it's just the one guy. The media loves a good anthem. Whole list on 'booze cruise'... we really made it all too easy for them. Agreed. Sure, we can take potshots at media organisations all we like because of their bias and itchy trigger fingers in destroying us (and it's true, their reporting of other club's incidents have been woefully inadequate), but it doesn't change the fact that the Carlton Football Club helped to set up their picnic basket and rug to begin with. Remember back to Fev's antics at the Brownlow, while the club righfully admitted to failing to deal with his behaviour, it was still seen as Fev's stupidity alone. But we had a team function where the leadership group were present, and multiple players made dicks of themselves while on the juice. This is the club failing. The fact that individuals from other clubs have commited worse crimes in no way makes what our players did any less stupid. |
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| Author: | Lowey_47 [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
It's ok if players from clubs stuff up as long as the AFL are kept informed... 
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| Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
..unfortunately, while our best and fairest is named after a convicted felon [great football talent notwithstanding] we will always be 'the bad club'.... |
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| Author: | MPH78 [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
Jake Niall: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/g ... -ng4e.html Drug trafficking, sexual assault and an assault by a kid on probation (Taylor) aren't a good look for an organisation that has worked so diligently to make its players good corporate citizens, having launched ambitious programs aimed at preventing drug and alcohol abuse and encouraging respectful treatment of women. This off-season of strife began with Essendon*'s emerging star Michael Hurley's alleged assault of a cab driver and included the Carlton booze cruise, which seems like a tea party in comparison with what has transpired since. |
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| Author: | kezza [ Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
MPH78 wrote: Jake Niall: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/g ... -ng4e.html Drug trafficking, sexual assault and an assault by a kid on probation (Taylor) aren't a good look for an organisation that has worked so diligently to make its players good corporate citizens, having launched ambitious programs aimed at preventing drug and alcohol abuse and encouraging respectful treatment of women. This off-season of strife began with Essendon*'s emerging star Michael Hurley's alleged assault of a cab driver and included the Carlton booze cruise, which seems like a tea party in comparison with what has transpired since. Good article by Jake, something Carlton supporters have been saying for awhile. Only one thing, he forgot to mention Essendon*'s inaction on Hurley. I cant believe they have gotten away with not taking any action. |
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| Author: | Kaptain Kouta [ Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
club29 wrote: Will be interesting to see how they write up the opening of the new facilities and new sponsorship. Well our Club isn't exactly helping with these matters and providing reams of feelgood and community articles to help fill the sports pages are they? In this age of lazy journalism, reporters expect to be spoon-fed stories. Someone seems to have consistently missed this point. |
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| Author: | Blue Revival [ Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The "Bad" Club |
i for one, do not care what is said or written about us. We're Carlton, we'll always be hated, for one reason or another. We play footy to win premierships. that's why we love 'em and everyone else hates us. |
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