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By what measure will you judge the Fevola trade?
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Author:  molsey [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:12 am ]
Post subject:  By what measure will you judge the Fevola trade?
In time we'll all have cause to ponder the Fevola trade.

Some of us will say he was a negative influence off-field and therefore any trade was good, had to happen etc.

i reckon when Fev is kicking bags for Brisbane a lot of people will forget that.

Some of us will want to wait years and years to make a call and it might come down to whether Henderson and / or Pick 12 ever play in a Premiership in their careers. Given Fev's career will finish in 3-5 years there's a good chance in 2015 we'll all be very happy because we've replaced with youth. If both turn out to be guns then we'll all talk about how well we did.

But how will you assess success say next year, or 2011? Is it as simple as the above for you?

And will some of you just be happy if Fev doesn't prove to be a key player in a Brisbane premiership?
Author:  2ndeffort [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:41 am ]
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An interesting measure will be whether Fev lasts longer in the AFL than Ratten. If Fev wins the Coleman in 2010 and Bris make it deep into the finals whilst we struggle to score all year and miss finals, there will be extreme pressure on Rats.
Author:  The Normal One [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:42 am ]
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Making finals again with or without impact from Henderson and Pick 12.
Author:  Sydney Blue [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:47 am ]
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I will make no secret of the fact that I am glad he is gone - Never in all my years of following Carlton have I ever disliked a bloke more than him (Pagan Excluded)- He became bigger than the team and it was all about Fev - And the press conference where Ratts pumped up his tyres when he did basically nothing all night made me almost vomit -

It is impossible now to ever tell whether the decision is a good one or a bad one- If we miss the 8 - The Fev supporters will say i told you so - If we make the 8 they will say we should of been top 4 and if we are top 4 they will be all saying we would have won the the flag with him-

The only true way the decision will be justified is if we go on to become a power house football side and the Lions slip out of the 8- I don't think the form of Hendo or Pick 12 will have any bearing on the decision it will be more of how the team goes with out him .

I think we will be better - and I don't really care how many goals Fev kicks with Brisbane


Oh it is still a long way before the start of the season a lot can happen in that time and Fev hasn't even pulled the boots on yet
Author:  Blue Vain [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:04 am ]
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The trade has already been a success.
For the first time in a long time, CFC had the balls to make a hard decision to trade a quality player who was a disruptive influence. Too often we have made excuses and concessions for flower.
I applaud the club for having the guts to put culture and team standards above personal interest. Even if it was largely forced upon them.
Author:  Donstuie [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:14 am ]
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The removal of Fev, along with our involvement with Leading Teams lays the foundation for a totally professional and committed unit for the future. Fev (and Stevo to a lesser extent) was the last piece of the Pagan-era to be removed, and remained indicative of that time where everything about the club was amatuerish and certain players were allowed to be bigger than the club because they were the rare shining light.

So to answer your question, I already judge the move as a win for us in terms of how the pieces are falling into place off the field. On-field, if we can make the finals again (still a strong possibility mind you, bear in mind our midfielders and defence have another year in them) we should be rapted. But personally, even if we just miss out, proving we can still be therabouts without Fev will be encouraging. If we're not sitting top-4 in 2011 (and we still can't kick the ball out of defence or still bombing the ball onto Kreuz/Hendo's heads like we did Fev) then questions will rightfully be asked.
Author:  JackWorrall [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:14 am ]
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Blue Vain wrote:
The trade has already been a success.
For the first time in a long time, CFC had the balls to make a hard decision to trade a quality player who was a disruptive influence. Too often we have made excuses and concessions for flower.
I applaud the club for having the guts to put culture and team standards above personal interest. Even if it was largely forced upon them.


Spot on.
Author:  Mrs Caz [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:20 am ]
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I'm one who believes that it matters not whether we play "better" football without him, or whether he plays well for Brisbane.

In my mind, the deed had to be done, end of story.
Author:  uncle john [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:31 am ]
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JackWorrall wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The trade has already been a success.
For the first time in a long time, CFC had the balls to make a hard decision to trade a quality player who was a disruptive influence. Too often we have made excuses and concessions for flower.
I applaud the club for having the guts to put culture and team standards above personal interest. Even if it was largely forced upon them.


Spot on.



I concur.
Author:  Maxwell Smart [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:45 am ]
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I agree that the trade is already a success and I dont care if Fev kicks 150 goals and we finish 12th I'll still hold the same opinion.
The bar has been raised and new standards of behavior set, that needed to happen and I'm glad the club stood up and showed some guts in a very difficult situation.
Author:  JohnM [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:46 am ]
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uncle john wrote:
JackWorrall wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The trade has already been a success.
For the first time in a long time, CFC had the balls to make a hard decision to trade a quality player who was a disruptive influence. Too often we have made excuses and concessions for flower.
I applaud the club for having the guts to put culture and team standards above personal interest. Even if it was largely forced upon them.


Spot on.



I concur.


Yep. BV's got it in one.
Author:  Wojee [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: By what measure will you judge the Fevola trade?
uncle john wrote:
JackWorrall wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The trade has already been a success.
For the first time in a long time, CFC had the balls to make a hard decision to trade a quality player who was a disruptive influence. Too often we have made excuses and concessions for flower.
I applaud the club for having the guts to put culture and team standards above personal interest. Even if it was largely forced upon them.


Spot on.



I concur.



At the risk of saying "me too", me too.
Author:  camel [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:24 am ]
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Me three.

But I will add another positive in a post-Fevola future is that ALL players on our list will be given a better opportunity to develop as a team and to follow the coach’s instructions.

That raises the next question as to whether Ratten can implement successful strategies to work with a new F50 setup. One thing is certain, we won’t have an over domineering senior player on the list more worried about how he looks on the big screen than he is about following the team’s instructions.

Make no mistake, there will be times in 2010 that (from the outside) the club will look like duffers for trading Fev. Internally, though, I expect the feeling will be vastly different.

So, getting back to molsey’s original question, I think we had to move on with Fev, so as noted, we are already ahead on the deal. The icing on the cake will be how good Henderson and #12 end up becoming. The possible upside for us is massive. The downside, less of an issue, as it seems abundantly clear that we just had to let him go.

In many respects whatever Fev does at Brisbane should be irrelevant, as he is no longer a player on our list. But, yes, you’re right molsey, if/when Fev does kick a few bags there will be plenty of action on TC pointing out that fact.

Just quietly, I’m liking the scenario he has already created at his new club whereby his arrival has already pushed Bradshaw and Henderson out of the team, and one also suspects the chances of Rishictelli playing for the Gold Coast are better than slim as well. For the sake of Michael Voss and Brisbane, they’d better hope Fevola is a good get.

Whatever happens now, any shit Fev gets himself into won’t be a problem we have to deal with. :smoking:
Author:  bluechucky [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: By what measure will you judge the Fevola trade?
JackWorrall wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The trade has already been a success.
For the first time in a long time, CFC had the balls to make a hard decision to trade a quality player who was a disruptive influence. Too often we have made excuses and concessions for flower.
I applaud the club for having the guts to put culture and team standards above personal interest. Even if it was largely forced upon them.


Spot on.

+1
Author:  Wojee [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:59 am ]
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And with Caro doing her best to stir things up it's nice that Fevola is now someone else's problem.
Author:  mikkey [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:30 am ]
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I think we all should build a bridge and move on.
Author:  Dominator_7 [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:34 am ]
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In many ways we've already won.
- Showed that as a club we will no longer tolerate off field misbehaviour.
- No more issues with Fev undermining everyone (both coaches and players) to suit his own interests.
- No more negative press for the club that would've continued had we kept Fev.
- We got potentially two 10 + year players (Hendo and Pick 12) for someone who has 2-3 good years left if him.
- In retrosepct, Brisbane has given up Hendo, 12 and Bradshaw to get Fev... way over the odds IMO.
Author:  Salsiccia [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:38 am ]
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Whether we hit the 500K threads on Fev
Author:  molsey [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:44 am ]
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The overwhelming tone of the response is that we've already won and whatever happens, happens, and the Club should be seen as better off from having expunged the sore spot and moved on.

mikkey, I understand where you're coming from and I didnt want to rehash the whys and hows, just explore a basis for determining trade success. Perhaps this is better in cases where off field behaviour and club culture arent as relevant ie the Judd / Kennedy trade.

Generally I like to assess trades in terms of on field success and not by games played. If you trade for a player to fill a hole and that hole is filled allowing a premiership then that sounds pretty dandy to me. From a brisbane perspective if they get a premiership out of this having moved Fev in and Henderson + 12 out, they'll give it a big tick (although with so many trades completed they'd have to apportion success to the miraculous Xavier Clarke in his Brownlow Year in 2011).

If you take out the Fevola bit out of the Fevola trade ie he was a generic successful forward who could kick lots of goals, then there's a strong case for trading out for two first round pick equivalents in any case. As such an easy 'measure' would be premiership success. If both go on to play 100 games for the Club then still there would be a strong argument for a 'win' on the trade. But as the clear feedback has been many feel as though we've won already.
Author:  The Duke [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:49 am ]
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We were lucky. A couple of years ago I tipped us to be left with nothing. We're miles in front.
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