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Dear Mr Swann
Every supporter with one ounce of common sense realizes that Brendan had to be traded those that didn't have forgotten how good this club used to be .
The Carlton football club that I know would never let one player become bigger than the team
The very fact you are writing this letter just shows that you are not a Carlton man otherwise you would not have bothered. Trying to explain your reasons for Brendans departure just makes it look like you have something to hide.
Mr Swann most supporters really love your work and are pleased that you are doing your very best to restore the club to it's former greatness please do not write letters justifying why you sacked an complete idiot

regards SB

The very fact you are writing this letter just shows that you are not a Carlton man otherwise you would not have bothered. Trying to explain your reasons for Brendans departure just makes it look like you have something to hide.

Sydney Blue wrote:

I'm trying to follow you're logic here but i'm struggling.

Explaining the reasons behind a decision (providing information) makes it look like you have something to hide?

Where as not explaining the reasons behind decisions (not providing information) makes it seem like you're not hiding something?

Am i missing something here?

Dear Mr Swann
Every supporter with one ounce of common sense realizes that Brendan had to be traded those that didn't have forgotten how good this club used to be .

This was a minor incident outside of football that was embarrassing ...however after 6 months or so ... this is gunna come back to bite us. The Carlton football club has made a grave mistake which will cost the club dearly next year. After 40 years supporting this club ... this has to be the dumbest football decision I have ever seen. The media are laughing ... the other clubs are laughing ..... more at us than Fev.

A very bad football decision. Club Culture is greatly overrated ... give me real talent any day.

Badly Done Mr Swann.

No offence BlueRob and eric pascoe but i wasnt the least surprised when you both said trading Fev was a bad decision when i say you had been supporting the Blues for 40 and 45 years.

To me, the attitude you're portraying seems to be that of yesteryear, back in the 80's when the game and clubs werent as professional and players would belt the crap out of each other, drink, not put out on the training track etc.

The AFL and clubs in 2009 are professional, seen as role models and are a 'brand', with sponsors on the line.

How is club culture overrated? Obviously you need talent to win premierships but what club in the new millenium that have won a premiership have done so with a shit leadership group and a shit culture all round? (except port in 04

, nah back then they were a decent club with Tredrea at his prime, peter burgoyne, wilson, francou, primus etc)

But yeah i do have to say we may have had a genuine shot at the premiership maybe in 2011 and 2012 - but theres no chance now...hopefully we will be rewarded in the end.

Ps: seriously pascoe, you can't ACTUALLY believe that Melbourne will win a premiership before us. Even with Fev gone they are at least 2 years behind us.

Author:	choo [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:28 pm ]
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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/newsarticle ... fault.aspx As usual totally Professional. He's a gem Pratt was right!!

Author:	Donstuie [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:32 pm ]
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Author:	camel [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:52 pm ]
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He should have sent everyone the PM.

Author:	Waite for me.. [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:54 pm ]
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Author:	Sydney Blue [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:08 pm ]
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Dear Mr Swann Every supporter with one ounce of common sense realizes that Brendan had to be traded those that didn't have forgotten how good this club used to be . The Carlton football club that I know would never let one player become bigger than the team The very fact you are writing this letter just shows that you are not a Carlton man otherwise you would not have bothered. Trying to explain your reasons for Brendans departure just makes it look like you have something to hide. Mr Swann most supporters really love your work and are pleased that you are doing your very best to restore the club to it's former greatness please do not write letters justifying why you sacked an complete idiot regards SB

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Author:	Wangers [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:36 pm ]
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Sydney Blue wrote: Dear Mr Swann Every supporter with one ounce of common sense realizes that Brendan had to be traded those that didn't have forgotten how good this club used to be . The Carlton football club that I know would never let one player become bigger than the team The very fact you are writing this letter just shows that you are not a Carlton man otherwise you would not have bothered. Trying to explain your reasons for Brendans departure just makes it look like you have something to hide. Mr Swann most supporters really love your work and are pleased that you are doing your very best to restore the club to it's former greatness please do not write letters justifying why you sacked an complete idiot regards SB Let's face it, some Carlton members will not renew and hopefully this will go some way to minimising the impact of that. Nonetheless, this is good timing to write to the membership after the dust has settled. This is mainly intended for those that totally don't understand or cannot comprehend last weeks trade - for those that do understand why they traded Fev, like us SB, this just re-affirms it. Don't think Mr Swann needs to be advised what he should and should not do. It's a big membership and a lot of work has gone into building up our membership to where it is, and being an inclusive club without discrimination, the club want to ensure alot of that hard work doesn't just fall away. If anything, I hope our membership increases because of this.

Author:	fraser murphy [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:13 pm ]
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Sydney Blue wrote: The very fact you are writing this letter just shows that you are not a Carlton man otherwise you would not have bothered. Trying to explain your reasons for Brendans departure just makes it look like you have something to hide. I'm trying to follow you're logic here but i'm struggling. Explaining the reasons behind a decision (providing information) makes it look like you have something to hide? Where as not explaining the reasons behind decisions (not providing information) makes it seem like you're not hiding something? Am i missing something here?

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:30 pm ]
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fraser murphy wrote: Sydney Blue wrote: The very fact you are writing this letter just shows that you are not a Carlton man otherwise you would not have bothered. Trying to explain your reasons for Brendans departure just makes it look like you have something to hide. I'm trying to follow you're logic here but i'm struggling. Explaining the reasons behind a decision (providing information) makes it look like you have something to hide? Where as not explaining the reasons behind decisions (not providing information) makes it seem like you're not hiding something? Am i missing something here? For christ sake the idiot was splashed over every paper every news broadcast headed up every bit ot talk back radio accross the country side for the best part of two weeks . Why????? does he need to explain sacking him to anyone - If people cant comprehend that then you wll never get through to them with an open letter . The letter makes them look like they are trying to justify something that needs no justification - therefore it makes them look like they are hiding something or feel responsible for something they shouldn't He was an idiot and got sacked - thats it you dont have to explain your motives for sacking him

Author:	Jabbo [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:22 pm ]
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SB I am fully supportive of the decision to trade Fev and I loved watching him play but I can not understand why you are critising Swann for writing a letter to the members. You only need to read Talking Carlton or listen to the radio to see that opinions over the trading of Fev are divided. Just because you can see the reasons why he was traded you shouldnt put down others as stupid because they dont understand. Unfortunately they still believe that Fev was just drunk! The fact that our CEO has come out and explained the reasons why they went down this path should be applauded, it can only help mend the fractions of our current supporter base.

Author:	behindblueeyes [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:32 pm ]
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] Sydney Blue wrote: Dear Mr Swann Every supporter with one ounce of common sense realizes that Brendan had to be traded those that didn't have forgotten how good this club used to be . Bless you. Maybe it is time the band wagoners and those that are not too intelligent jumped off. I can not wait until next season. The complete unpredictability this provides, with one of the best midfields going around... MMMMMMMMMMMMMM Carlton........ Salivates........

Author:	BigBlueWave [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:54 pm ]
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This was a minor incident outside of football that was embarrassing ...however after 6 months or so ... this is gunna come back to bite us. The Carlton football club has made a grave mistake which will cost the club dearly next year. After 40 years supporting this club ... this has to be the dumbest football decision I have ever seen. The media are laughing ... the other clubs are laughing ..... more at us than Fev. A very bad football decision. Club Culture is greatly overrated ... give me real talent any day. Badly Done Mr Swann.

Author:	eric pascoe [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:04 pm ]
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BlueRob wrote: This was a minor incident outside of football that was embarrassing ...however after 6 months or so ... this is gunna come back to bite us. The Carlton football club has made a grave mistake which will cost the club dearly next year. After 40 years supporting this club ... this has to be the dumbest football decision I have ever seen. The media are laughing ... the other clubs are laughing ..... more at us than Fev. A very bad football decision. Club Culture is greatly overrated ... give me real talent any day. Badly Done Mr Swann. I, too, agree. Worst decision made by the club in the 45 years that I've followed them. Will set us back 5 years. Melbourne willl win a flag before us. Sack the board.

Author:	chyna [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:58 pm ]
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Minor Incident. Geez, what constitutes a major incident then? If getting rid of him was the worst decision in 40-45 years, then drafting him in the first place was the worst decision since 1864! And having him playing for us has set the club back at least 10 years (as our results since he has been at the club can justify). As stated in a different thread, it is no sorry coincidence that the worst period in our clubs entire history relates to the period when Fevola was the king of Princes Park, both on and off the field. Thank @#$%&! Christ he is finally gone. Now the club can finally get on with playing decent footy!

Author:	jt [ Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:26 am ]
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No offence BlueRob and eric pascoe but i wasnt the least surprised when you both said trading Fev was a bad decision when i say you had been supporting the Blues for 40 and 45 years. To me, the attitude you're portraying seems to be that of yesteryear, back in the 80's when the game and clubs werent as professional and players would belt the crap out of each other, drink, not put out on the training track etc. The AFL and clubs in 2009 are professional, seen as role models and are a 'brand', with sponsors on the line. How is club culture overrated? Obviously you need talent to win premierships but what club in the new millenium that have won a premiership have done so with a shit leadership group and a shit culture all round? (except port in 04 , nah back then they were a decent club with Tredrea at his prime, peter burgoyne, wilson, francou, primus etc) But yeah i do have to say we may have had a genuine shot at the premiership maybe in 2011 and 2012 - but theres no chance now...hopefully we will be rewarded in the end. Ps: seriously pascoe, you can't ACTUALLY believe that Melbourne will win a premiership before us. Even with Fev gone they are at least 2 years behind us.

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Author:	Juddy&theKruezers [ Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:48 am ]
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jt wrote: No offence BlueRob and eric pascoe but i wasnt the least surprised when you both said trading Fev was a bad decision when i say you had been supporting the Blues for 40 and 45 years. To me, the attitude you're portraying seems to be that of yesteryear, back in the 80's when the game and clubs werent as professional and players would belt the crap out of each other, drink, not put out on the training track etc. The AFL and clubs in 2009 are professional, seen as role models and are a 'brand', with sponsors on the line. How is club culture overrated? Obviously you need talent to win premierships but what club in the new millenium that have won a premiership have done so with a shit leadership group and a shit culture all round? (except port in 04 , nah back then they were a decent club with Tredrea at his prime, peter burgoyne, wilson, francou, primus etc) But yeah i do have to say we may have had a genuine shot at the premiership maybe in 2011 and 2012 - but theres no chance now...hopefully we will be rewarded in the end. Ps: seriously pascoe, you can't ACTUALLY believe that Melbourne will win a premiership before us. Even with Fev gone they are at least 2 years behind us. I seriously do not believe that Fev leaving or staying affects our premiership chances...this is directly affected by our midfield and how we setup. Our structures and match day game planning will determine how far we go next year and it was going to determine it with or without Fev. Let's face it...with Fev we could not develop an effective foward line strategy....will we be able to do this without him? If so then we have developed as a team but if not it will not be due to Fev's absence (as it wasnt there to begin with)...it will be due to something lacking in the coaching department.

Author:	club29 [ Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:12 am ]
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BlueRob wrote: This was a minor incident outside of football that was embarrassing ...however after 6 months or so ... this is gunna come back to bite us. The Carlton football club has made a grave mistake which will cost the club dearly next year. After 40 years supporting this club ... this has to be the dumbest football decision I have ever seen. The media are laughing ... the other clubs are laughing ..... more at us than Fev. A very bad football decision. Club Culture is greatly overrated ... give me real talent any day. Badly Done Mr Swann. ....and let me guess.... If we do happen to win a flag in the next couple of years you would be happy to eat humble pie.

Author:	kots1234 [ Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:27 am ]
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Good work Carlton. I support the decision 100% and appreciate the fact that Swanny and co. is addressing it. Fact is the CFC have no obligation whatsoever to do so but still they have. Fev has given us great delight over the years but the bloke had finally gone too far and a statement needed to be made. And we will be better for it. For those supporters that choose to not re-new their memberships in light of the situation I pity them. We are supposed to be supporters of the Carlton Football Club, not the Fevola Football Club. He will be missed but we must all move on. I know this will never happen but I'd love the club to keep a record of those members who withdraw their support due to the Fevola trade and ban them from the club for life. Yep - keep a record of their membership details and make sure that they are never issued with a membership in the future. Like I said - I know this wont happen and it sounds like drastic measures. But the club doesnt need supporters like that so I for one would not be against banning supporters like that from the club for life. Let them go and support another club for all I care!!

Author:	BlueMark [ Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:27 am ]
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BlueRob wrote: This was a minor incident outside of football that was embarrassing ...however after 6 months or so ... this is gunna come back to bite us. The Carlton football club has made a grave mistake which will cost the club dearly next year. After 40 years supporting this club ... this has to be the dumbest football decision I have ever seen. The media are laughing ... the other clubs are laughing ..... more at us than Fev. A very bad football decision. Club Culture is greatly overrated ... give me real talent any day. Badly Done Mr Swann. A minor incident? O............Kaaayy.

Author:	Wojee [ Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:51 am ]
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I love Fevola, but he'd used up all his chances and then some. If anything moving him on has increased our long term premiership chances. We're going to be forced to develop a forwardline structure that doesn't involve kicking it to one bloke 80% of the time despite him being double and triple teamed. Well done to Greg Swann and the board for making the difficult but IMO correct call on Fevola.

Author:	JohnM [ Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:51 am ]
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Some people need to get over the 'we sacked Fev because he misbehaved when drunk' line of thought. There's a reason why the more switched-on people within the club (people who have an understanding of what it takes to win a flag in the 21st Century) wanted to get Fevola out of the group. He's a hugely disruptive influence who, over and over and over and over again, couldn't help but undermine team cohesion in a whole variety of ways. Ways which have NOTHING to do with his booze-fueled idiocy on Brownlow night. Imagine, say, Geelong a few years ago when they realised they had the talent but not the team ethic... when the club was trying to get the players and working together for a common goal... and one senior player just kept taking the piss out of the whole situation, thinking it's all a bunch of bullshit, not buying into the team ethic in any way at all. How many flags do you reckon they would have won? The answer is NONE... they'd still be the underachieving Geelong of old: talented but unable to put it together properly. In many ways, Brownlow night was the best thing to happen to the club since Judd arrived. Because it finally gave the smart people at the club enough ammunition to do what really should have been done years before. Good work Swanny. We'll be a much better club and a much better team, for having taken this decision.