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Can anyone explain to me why Cloke (5 goals last week, 6 this week) isn't in the side.
What gives?

I also hate it that he refuses to run through the banner before games :mad:

Give him another chance and see if he can learn from the past. Throw him a challenge. Talk to his old man, talk to his brother but try to get Cam back, don't know why but I like him in the team, he has presence/size, can take a pack mark and split packs open and get the ball to ground for Eddie and co. Fisher can't offer that.

Did anyone watch the lack of pressure coming out of our forward line on the weekend, the last thing we need is for an iceberg to come into the team.

He had his chance earlier in the season and failed miserably.

He's big and lumbering, never seen a presence at all. He has absolutely no idea how to or even want to use his bulk to crash packs. Setanta took more contested marks in the Essendon* game than Cloke in the whole first 6 games.

about the only 2 highlights I can find.

bosman wrote:

Fev is derided for his chasing at times but if you're trying to compare Fev and Cloke in defensive pressure then you're barking up the wrong tree.

Can anyone explain to me why Cloke (5 goals last week, 6 this week) isn't in the side. We have no-one who can fill the CHF spot with any authority. Fisher at 100 games is simply not up to it. Setanta is a week to week proposition, up one week down the next.

Why can't we get Cloke on the park in the seniors?

He's outscored our entire side this week.

What gives?

He's earnt selection, and I expect he will be rewarded this week. :cool:

Reward players who are in form. Cloke deserved to be dropped earlier in the year but has done the hard work and stepped up in the VFL. Assuming he's training hard and doing the right stuff off-field I definitely think he deserves another go.

I don't think I'd bring him in to play a CHF role though. He looked more dangerous playing out of the goal square.

Author:	Aristeas [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:23 am ]
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Can anyone explain to me why Cloke (5 goals last week, 6 this week) isn't in the side. We have no-one who can fill the CHF spot with any authority. Fisher at 100 games is simply not up to it. Setanta is a week to week proposition, up one week down the next. Why can't we get Cloke on the park in the seniors? He's outscored our entire side this week. What gives?

Author:	Blueboy_Dan [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:52 am ]
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Because hes a downhill skier who performs when the heat is off and crumbles under pressure, watch the hawks game this year to see for yourself

Author:	seanpb [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:25 am ]
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He also, quite unfortunately, hasn't quite perfected his flux capaciter. This would have allowed him to kick 6 on saturday, impress the coaching panel, go back to thursday night and, on the back of the 6 goals he was to kick in 2 days, gain selection.

Author:	Juzzy [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:05 am ]
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because he is a terrible player at AFL level that clearly isn't a working member of the team. Cloke is my least favourite Carlton player because he will make a mistake and then start barking orders at people after it. I also hate it that he refuses to run through the banner before games I don't care if he kicks 15 goals at the VFL level i NEVER want to see him on the field of a seniors game again.

Author:	murraycray [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:10 am ]
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He's earnt selection, and I expect he will be rewarded this week.

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Author:	chubbyruss [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:37 am ]
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He kicked 6 against the smallest backline in the VFL on Saturday. He is as slow as a wet week. He is agood VFL footballer.

Author:	TheInsider [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:42 am ]
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we must be average if we are concerned about getting guys like cloke back in the side.

Author:	Humpers [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:03 am ]
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Aristeas wrote: Can anyone explain to me why Cloke (5 goals last week, 6 this week) isn't in the side. What gives? Because there is a large gap between VFL and AFL. Cloke and Wiggins have been given plenty of opportunity at senior level and we need to look at/develop alternative options i.e. Kreuzer, Setanta, Yarran, Garlett, Robinson etc

Author:	bosman [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:21 am ]
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Juzzy wrote: I also hate it that he refuses to run through the banner before games . Lots of players don't run through the banner..... Nick Stevens doesn't (I think), and Fev won't let the banner touch him. As for Cloke, Yes he was found wanting in rd 6, well so did a few other players like Houla who keeps on getting chance after chance after chance. Houla's job after footy is too put the softness back into butter. Cloke has also been out with injuries as well. Give him another chance and see if he can learn from the past. Throw him a challenge. Talk to his old man, talk to his brother but try to get Cam back, don't know why but I like him in the team, he has presence/size, can take a pack mark and split packs open and get the ball to ground for Eddie and co. Fisher can't offer that.

Author:	teagueyubeauty [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:22 am ]
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Did anyone watch the lack of pressure coming out of our forward line on the weekend, the last thing we need is for an iceberg to come into the team. He had his chance earlier in the season and failed miserably.

Author:	bosman [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:06 am ]
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teagueyubeauty wrote: Did anyone watch the lack of pressure coming out of our forward line on the weekend, the last thing we need is for an iceberg to come into the team. He had his chance earlier in the season and failed miserably. Maybe Fev and Cloke can hold hands and chase together. teagueyubeauty wrote: He's big and lumbering, never seen a presence at all. He has absolutely no idea how to or even want to use his bulk to crash packs. Setanta took more contested marks in the Essendon* game than Cloke in the whole first 6 games. Cloke has taken plenty of pack marks and crashed packs... Senanta took 3-4 marks on the lead in that 1st qrt and hasn't played since. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6_TdEq5EeM Check out mark number 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svRjIFUiRrM Presence... video is crap but.. about the only 2 highlights I can find.

Author:	teagueyubeauty [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:16 am ]
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bosman wrote: about the only 2 highlights I can find. Don't bother looking any further, your wasting your time Fev is derided for his chasing at times but if you're trying to compare Fev and Cloke in defensive pressure then you're barking up the wrong tree.

Author:	bosman [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:27 am ]
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teagueyubeauty wrote: bosman wrote: Fev is derided for his chasing at times but if you're trying to compare Fev and Cloke in defensive pressure then you're barking up the wrong tree. I barked up that tree and didn't see Fev cause he stayed behind and watched. Fev has lucky to have chased about 10% at times this year and about 80% of those times have been half hearted. All I'm saying is to give Cloke another chance, maybe he has learned from his mistakes. He is our only option on our list until Warnock comes into the ruck to free up Kruse to go forward which might give Cloke 2-3 weeks to prove where he is at.

Author:	Sergeant.Blue [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:06 pm ]
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Aristeas wrote: Can anyone explain to me why Cloke (5 goals last week, 6 this week) isn't in the side. We have no-one who can fill the CHF spot with any authority. Fisher at 100 games is simply not up to it. Setanta is a week to week proposition, up one week down the next. Why can't we get Cloke on the park in the seniors? He's outscored our entire side this week. What gives? Cloke is Digby Morrell in disguise. (plus he needs 7 games this year to get a new contract. he's on 5. wont happen)

Author:	Big Kahuna Boot [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:40 pm ]
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..as others have said, too much of a gap between vfl and afl to really use it as proof that he should come back into the team.. ..he's not some kid that's never played afl and so his afl form is a mystery and we give him a go.. ..we know what clokey gives us at afl level, and its not enough.. ..no matter how good he is at vfl, how hard he tries etc etc, he's not up to afl level, and the odd good game is just a lucky day out for him at senior level.. ..it's unfortunate, but thats just how it goes.. ..is slower than fish on the chase , and nowhere near as good as him at crumbing goals/snapshots.. ..and fish barely scrapes in at afl level..

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Author:	Virgin Blue [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:25 pm ]
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Didn't Fish kick 6 in the VFL a month or so ago?

Author:	Pafloyul [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:53 pm ]
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murraycray wrote: He's earnt selection, and I expect he will be rewarded this week. Jeez, you've got a long way to go if you are smug about that.

Author:	Pklz [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:08 pm ]
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Reward players who are in form. Cloke deserved to be dropped earlier in the year but has done the hard work and stepped up in the VFL. Assuming he's training hard and doing the right stuff off-field I definitely think he deserves another go. I don't think I'd bring him in to play a CHF role though. He looked more dangerous playing out of the goal square.

Author:	Big Kahuna Boot [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:11 pm ]
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Pklz wrote: Reward players who are in form. Cloke deserved to be dropped earlier in the year but has done the hard work and stepped up in the VFL. Assuming he's training hard and doing the right stuff off-field I definitely think he deserves another go. I don't think I'd bring him in to play a CHF role though. He looked more dangerous playing out of the goal square. ..the problem is, good form in the vfl doesn't equate to good afl form, not even close i reckon.. ..do you give him a game cos he's got some good form in sub-par vfl, trained well, and isn't up to AFL standard..??..