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Author:  MonstaBlue [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Laidley
I know there are heaps of Ratten bashing threads etc. around here, and I for one am not a Ratten basher. Yes, he gets outcoached against the best, but deep down I feel that he will grow with the team (and FWIW I think that his choice of assistant coaches does him no favours). For one, I have met him a few times and find him a fantastic communicator and is very honest (MASSIVELY important for the modern day coach IMO). However, his biggest downfall is also of major importance (if not the most), match day tactical nous.... bringing me to my next subject.. Dean Laidley.

By all reports Laidley was a FANTASTIC match day coach (who I also know Ratten rated highly and said that he was the best tactical coach in the AFL) but by all reports couldn't communicate and hence this was his downfall. Seeing we are now in a much better financial position than in recent memory and have strong leadership through Swann, would it not be remiss of us not to be chasing Laidley hard to be a "head of coaching" or the like, which won't involve training, communication etc.. but rather tactical planning for our next opponents and match day assistance....This would assist Ratts in his biggest flaw.

Thoughts???
Author:  Blue Steel [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
I've been thinking about this too.

The only issue may be whther Ratts will feel threatened by having a potential senior coach (a la Malthouse/Buckly) sitting in the wings. A few loses and the hysterical amongst us may start spruiking Laids as the saviour (gulp).

Can Ratts' ego cope?

I like the idea personally, because we clearly lack in this area....

but do we need this more than better tactical set ups from our and opposition kick ins?

We may need to fill two needs I think.
Author:  motts [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Where do I sign?
Author:  kennyhunter [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Laidley owes a lot of his game-day tactics to one of his (low profile) assistants.

Interestingly, a North person recently remarked that when you look at what he achieved with what he had at the Kangas, imagine what he could do with a list like Carlton's ....
Author:  Synbad [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
The Laidley idea has been trampled upon from what i hear about a month ago...

Laidley wouldnt kill off his coaching sapirations to make Ratts look good.

Ratts wouldnt want a guy come in and tell him.... "NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
Author:  bluechucky [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
You wont get the gig then!
Author:  budzy [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Perhaps we could be a leader and restructure a new coaching setup.

Do we have to have a 'senior' coach with a 'forward' coach 'midfield' coach and 'defensive' coach?

IF Ratts is struggling, why couldn't he be given a rejigged portfolio while he's contracted and we rejig the whole coaching structure?
Author:  combay6175 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
yes , i was thinking about the same thing
i was going too post on " Pros and Cons "
but i didnt want to be negative after Fridays lost

Again we where out coached ......
when we are good we are very good
but when we lose , we seem to second rate
no game plan
second to the ball
poor decision making
poor foot , hand, marking skills
match ups are all wrong
no functioning forward line

listening to Lappin at 3 quarter time been interviewed
"all we need to do is to kick a couple of goals "
we where 25 points down .....grrrrrrrrrrrr :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

sorry all .... for been negative , but i got it off my chest
go ta blues
Author:  Melvey [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
I'm hearing that Laidley could join the Hawks even if Hardwick lands a gig.

But like Synbad said, Ratten would feel threatened by a man far more intelligent than him so i doubt it will happen.
Author:  MonstaBlue [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Good enough for Clarkson (a premiership coach who is more likely to think "why do I need help?") but not for Ratts???????

A friend of mine's (Simonverbeek) brother, put it best when he pointed out that 3 of the past 4 weeks (except the Richmond game) we have been smashed in the first half by not having the right game plan for that opponent.. what that shows us is that what we plan for all week is wrong and the players go out there with a plan only to see themselves getting beaten.. only after a rejig at half time do we turn it around... hence the need for more tactical know how... Enter Laidley!!!!
Author:  club29 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Melvey wrote:

But like Synbad said, Ratten would feel threatened by a man far more intelligent than him so i doubt it will happen.


Never has Ratts suggested such things or shown that this would be the case. Completely made up.
Author:  Melvey [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
club29 wrote:
Melvey wrote:

But like Synbad said, Ratten would feel threatened by a man far more intelligent than him so i doubt it will happen.


Never has Ratts suggested such things or shown that this would be the case. Completely made up.


Im pretty sure he has said that the idea has been knocked back already by the club (or Ratten)
Author:  Big Kahuna Boot [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
MonstaBlue wrote:
Good enough for Clarkson (a premiership coach who is more likely to think "why do I need help?") but not for Ratts???????

A friend of mine's (Simonverbeek) brother, put it best when he pointed out that 3 of the past 4 weeks (except the Richmond game) we have been smashed in the first half by not having the right game plan for that opponent.. what that shows us is that what we plan for all week is wrong and the players go out there with a plan only to see themselves getting beaten.. only after a rejig at half time do we turn it around... hence the need for more tactical know how... Enter Laidley!!!!


..dunno, but if Laids is being touted as the match day tactician.. ..is he the one making the adjustments on the fly during the match, or the one making all the planning during the week for the up-coming opponent..?.. ..cos either way, it sounds alot like a coach's task..
Author:  Melvey [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
MonstaBlue wrote:
Good enough for Clarkson (a premiership coach who is more likely to think "why do I need help?") but not for Ratts???????

A friend of mine's (Simonverbeek) brother, put it best when he pointed out that 3 of the past 4 weeks (except the Richmond game) we have been smashed in the first half by not having the right game plan for that opponent.. what that shows us is that what we plan for all week is wrong and the players go out there with a plan only to see themselves getting beaten.. only after a rejig at half time do we turn it around... hence the need for more tactical know how... Enter Laidley!!!!


..dunno, but if Laids is being touted as the match day tactician.. ..is he the one making the adjustments on the fly during the match, or the one making all the planning during the week for the up-coming opponent..?.. ..cos either way, it sounds alot like a coach's task..


I think you'll find that Laidley is greatest strength is knowledge of the opposition and pointing out the oppositions strengths and weaknesses. Pretty sure it was Wallace who said he is great at counteracting opposition moves.

but thats not our major problem. We have no plan, no system, no style of play and our development sucks right now. Other teams are jumping us just on this point alone.

we have the talent.
Author:  DownUnderChick [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Quote:
listening to Lappin at 3 quarter time been interviewed
"all we need to do is to kick a couple of goals "


Were you seriously expecting to hear the entire strategy of what they were planning on national television?
Author:  Synbad [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Melvey wrote:
[\

But like Synbad said, Ratten would feel threatened by a man far more intelligent than him so i doubt it will happen.


Never has Ratts suggested such things or shown that this would be the case. Completely made up.[/quote]

Im pretty sure he has said that the idea has been knocked back already by the club (or Ratten)[/quote]
Thats what i said....
Author:  badbuzz [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Not required, there is a reason why Laidley is no longer at North.

Coaching match day, is a by product of the planning and attention to detail during the week!!!

Players themselves, will know when they need to role down defensively, push up etc. when they become very confident in the game plan, and equally confident in their ability to carry it out!!

The shuffle on match day, are generally preplanned, the effectiveness of a Dean laidley was slowly declining as the shinboner message was slowly losing its effectiveness!!

We will be OK, we have enough quality and experience in the box to install their print onto our team.

Go Blues!!!!!!!!!
Author:  Synbad [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
badbuzz wrote:
Not required, there is a reason why Laidley is no longer at North.

Coaching match day, is a by product of the planning and attention to detail during the week!!!

Players themselves, will know when they need to role down defensively, push up etc. when they become very confident in the game plan, and equally confident in their ability to carry it out!!

The shuffle on match day, are generally preplanned, the effectiveness of a Dean laidley was slowly declining as the shinboner message was slowly losing its effectiveness!!

We will be OK, we have enough quality and experience in the box to install their print onto our team.

Go Blues!!!!!!!!!



Modern day coaqching experience and quality .. were talking about...

Not 1980s playing experience.......
Author:  DownUnderChick [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
Synbad wrote:
badbuzz wrote:
Not required, there is a reason why Laidley is no longer at North.

Coaching match day, is a by product of the planning and attention to detail during the week!!!

Players themselves, will know when they need to role down defensively, push up etc. when they become very confident in the game plan, and equally confident in their ability to carry it out!!

The shuffle on match day, are generally preplanned, the effectiveness of a Dean laidley was slowly declining as the shinboner message was slowly losing its effectiveness!!

We will be OK, we have enough quality and experience in the box to install their print onto our team.

Go Blues!!!!!!!!!



Modern day coaqching experience and quality .. were talking about...

Not 1980s playing experience.......


So Ratts is a relic of the 80s is he?
Author:  Dominator_7 [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Laidley
I dont understand why it would be good enough for a Premiership coach in Clarkson to have Laidley there and not Ratts...
So by what that says, we should only hire assistants with less experience/tactical nouse then our current coach.. God help us if thats the case... Ratts should have a more professional attitdue and not let his ego get in the way of ideas that could improve the side's preformance greatly going forward..
The best thing Carlton can do in my opinion, is to immediately stop this 'jobs for the boys' crap that seems to be happening under Sticks's presidency, and take on the Dick Pratt attitude of targeting the best people for the job. That was exactly the attitude we used to in the 70s, 80s and 90s when we were a force.
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