I wouldn't have been happy with Rich. Vanilla....much much much prefer Yarran.

I wouldn't have been happy with Rich. Vanilla and his Head aint suited to Carlton....much much much prefer Yarran.

I would have liked McKernan...he was my pick of the talls...apart from Nick Nat of course and I'll be pleased to see him turn into a gun.

..yer joking right..??!!.. .... ..

There are Daniel Rich's in every draft, every year. Vanilla mids who will be great out of the box.
But their upside is limited. Daniel Rich will be playing the same footy in 5-7 years.

Yarran is a risk, granted, but if he turns out like a McCleod or a Burgoyne.... we'l they dont come along every draft.
Worth the risk.

No problem with the clubs selection here.

Nope.

As SnickerS says there is a Daniel Rich in every draft and yeah he'll be a 200 games player but look I'm personally happy that our recruiters took a risk...something they haven't been known to do in the past.....I am just not a fan of the "ready mades" it scares me to think of how much improvement is really there....I've been influenced a bit from the 'upside' king in Paf but that's where I stand at the moment.

I'm not a recruiter.....so the weight of the CFC doesn't stand on my shoulders so I can come and say from my view of players...the types i like and dislike I would rather Yarran on our list than Rich, anyday.

Nope.

As SnickerS says there is a Daniel Rich in every draft and yeah he'll be a 200 games player but look I'm personally happy that our recruiters took a risk...something they haven't been known to do in the past.....I am just not a fan of the "ready mades" it scares me to think of how much improvement is really there....I've been influenced a bit from the 'upside' king in Paf but that's where I stand at the moment.

I'm not a recruiter.....so the weight of the CFC doesn't stand on my shoulders so I can come and say from my view of players...the types i like and dislike I would rather Yarran on our list than Rich, anyday.

Not looking to argue against Yarran but Rich isn't your traditional vanilla mid; not much physical upside sure, but his kicking skills are elite, unbelievably so, in fact.

His issues are that he doesn't look as though he will be a good inside mid (given his lack of pace), and of course...



... foetus hands.

.i don't prescribe to all this baloney about limited upside cos they're a ready-made player.. ..that's like saying that geelong didn't hit the lottery with selwood cos he doesnt have huge upside.. ..and thats bollocks.. ..basically, both selwood and now rich are good enough to play well in good established midfields..

.. ..look at the other 'late' developers.. ..what do you expect of them..?.. ..another pre-season, more endurance, footy experience etc etc etc.. ..well, selwood and rich types are getting that too, and are also improving because of it, and if they're good they'll continue to push themselves and improve, as does any star player..

..and bloody hell, fancy calling a mid of Rich's ilk 'vanilla'.. ..that's crazy.. ..mids like him and selwood are similar in ways to mids like voss and roo [crow variety].. ..they dont come every year, and calling them vanilla is way off the mark..

..Rich may play the same style of footy in 5-7 years granted, but it will be better footy than he's already playing now.. ..and that's v.impressive.. ..he is also the exact kind of mid we need and do not have on our list.. ..it is the one missing ingredient to our midfield, and until we address this our midfield will be good, but not great.. ..in turn, Judd will need to play that role in the guts and the roll-on effect continues..

..for where our list is at, we could not afford to take a 'risk' as you call it, with our first pick.. ..especially when a HFF wasn't our biggest weakness.. ..inside mid and chf/chb were by far our more pressing concerns in regards to building our list.. ..flashy silky flankers that pose a possible risk, that also have 'lazy' hype and which may take a few years to come good can just as easily be picked up later in the draft.. ..or rookie'd or psd..