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News Blues soul searching after ‘inexcusable loss’
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Author:  Pklz [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:10 pm ]
Post subject:  News Blues soul searching after ‘inexcusable loss’
Quote:
CARLTON defender Michael Jamison said the Blues completed an honest player review on Monday after Friday night’s embarrassing loss to Essendon*.

“There’s only one way we can regroup and regather and that’s to be honest with each other and tell each other where we are at.”

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default ... wsid=79621
Author:  DownUnderChick [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:35 pm ]
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Would have loved to be a fly on the wall in that assessment.
Author:  Barnesy [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:00 pm ]
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We had an opportunity in the first quarter against Adelaide to do that, we had an opportunity to do that at half time and three quarter time against Essendon*.

Obviously they made a choice then.

When are we going to have a squad of players who collectively have a bit of ticker about them.

Getting past the excuses stage, why can't we (the club) extract the most out of these guys regularly (surely this isn't their best).

We have guys that don't appear to stand up week week in week out.

Sure some have jobs to do, Joseph, Armfield play with ticker, of course Juddy and Murph stand up and be counted regularly, but even Gibbsy just ain't showing enough for me without being too hard on him.

I don't want to take pot shots, but just want them to put their hands up and start showing they have a bit of you know what about them, we still stand for nothing in terms of respect in the competition, apart from our slogan.
Author:  bosman [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:25 pm ]
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Barnesy wrote:
Getting past the excuses stage, why can't we (the club) extract the most out of these guys regularly (surely this isn't their best).
We have guys that don't appear to stand up week week in week out.



Good point, look at Collingwood, somehow they get the best out of there players regularly.
Author:  Orangewhip [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: News Blues soul searching after ‘inexcusable loss’
Barnesy wrote:
We had an opportunity in the first quarter against Adelaide to do that, we had an opportunity to do that at half time and three quarter time against Essendon*.

Obviously they made a choice then.

When are we going to have a squad of players who collectively have a bit of ticker about them.

Getting past the excuses stage, why can't we (the club) extract the most out of these guys regularly (surely this isn't their best).

We have guys that don't appear to stand up week week in week out.

Sure some have jobs to do, Joseph, Armfield play with ticker, of course Juddy and Murph stand up and be counted regularly, but even Gibbsy just ain't showing enough for me without being too hard on him.

I don't want to take pot shots, but just want them to put their hands up and start showing they have a bit of you know what about them, we still stand for nothing in terms of respect in the competition, apart from our slogan.



Geelong were in a very similar place only a few seasons ago.
Author:  Princes Park Whistler [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: News Blues soul searching after ‘inexcusable loss’
Orangewhip wrote:
Barnesy wrote:
We had an opportunity in the first quarter against Adelaide to do that, we had an opportunity to do that at half time and three quarter time against Essendon*.

Obviously they made a choice then.

When are we going to have a squad of players who collectively have a bit of ticker about them.

Getting past the excuses stage, why can't we (the club) extract the most out of these guys regularly (surely this isn't their best).

We have guys that don't appear to stand up week week in week out.

Sure some have jobs to do, Joseph, Armfield play with ticker, of course Juddy and Murph stand up and be counted regularly, but even Gibbsy just ain't showing enough for me without being too hard on him.

I don't want to take pot shots, but just want them to put their hands up and start showing they have a bit of you know what about them, we still stand for nothing in terms of respect in the competition, apart from our slogan.



Geelong were in a very similar place only a few seasons ago.
Please don`t compare us with Geelong.
Author:  Melvey [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:27 pm ]
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Whispers on 3AW said the axe is being sharpened down at VISY Park with Stevens and Scottland bout to get the chop
Author:  Melvey [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:30 pm ]
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A caller summed it up best when he rang 3AW on Saturday and said "Bannister was delisted from Essendon* and 5 years on he's still getting a game for Carlton"
Author:  Barnesy [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:47 pm ]
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I just want the "best" team on the park week in week out.

In terms of:

a bit of ticker (heart)
prepared to run hard all day long
tackle hard
AFL standard skills (some will be above)
best match ups
backing ourselves in and letting the opposition worry about matching up on us
team player

We are just not hardened enough physically and mentally, and we should be further advanced in that area than we are.

Three plus seasons in the system means you should start to show your worth - I think we just fall short unfortunately.

"They Know We're Coming - know won is sure when"
Author:  brazilbeliever [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:38 pm ]
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bosman wrote:
Barnesy wrote:
Getting past the excuses stage, why can't we (the club) extract the most out of these guys regularly (surely this isn't their best).
We have guys that don't appear to stand up week week in week out.



Good point, look at Collingwood, somehow they get the best out of there players regularly.



ONE WORD ..............

MALTHOUSE!
Author:  99prelim [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:59 pm ]
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Melvey wrote:
Whispers on 3AW said the axe is being sharpened down at VISY Park with Stevens and Scottland bout to get the chop


Scotland = easy target and sacrificial lamb
Fev AND Stevo AND Hoops = making a statement
Author:  budzy [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: News Blues soul searching after ‘inexcusable loss’
Pklz wrote:
Quote:
CARLTON defender Michael Jamison said the Blues completed an honest player review on Monday after Friday night’s embarrassing loss to Essendon*.

“There’s only one way we can regroup and regather and that’s to be honest with each other and tell each other where we are at.”

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default ... wsid=79621


Let's hope there was some real honesty put forward and the young guys were courageous enough to speak up.
Author:  Melvey [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:09 am ]
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99prelim wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Whispers on 3AW said the axe is being sharpened down at VISY Park with Stevens and Scottland bout to get the chop


Scotland = easy target and sacrificial lamb
Fev AND Stevo AND Hoops = making a statement


I agree. Scottland missed preseason training, he was mismanaged that he needed surgery half way through the year but because we had the slightest sniff of the finals we took a punt to wait until the end of the year to have him operated on.
Author:  AIRCAV [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:12 am ]
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Geez I know we are dissapointed and I hate losing to Essendon*, but really, have we turned into Richmond fans?

On Thursday, things were ok at Visy Park. By saturday afternoon, the ground was ready to be set on fire, a truckload of manure was on order, Fev was traded, half our list sacked and Sticks gone.

Bloody Hell!

I thought Connolly's article was spot on.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews ... 29438.html

When we flogged the Bulldogs, did they fly into the panic we are now at? were they demanding eade's head? Johnson to be traded?

I'm dissapointed, gutted, I want improvement, I want effort. But really, all Rats fault? Can someone explain how anything done in the coaches box on Friday in the 2nd half would have influenced the fact that man on man we got flogged?

I think we have allowed ourselves to get ahead of just where we are in our improvement.
Author:  MadBlue [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:26 am ]
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Don't tell me......A sensible post at last......Well done AIRCAV !!!!!!!!!!
Author:  jimmy3741 [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: News Blues soul searching after ‘inexcusable loss’
AIRCAV wrote:
Geez I know we are dissapointed and I hate losing to Essendon*, but really, have we turned into Richmond fans?

On Thursday, things were ok at Visy Park. By saturday afternoon, the ground was ready to be set on fire, a truckload of manure was on order, Fev was traded, half our list sacked and Sticks gone.

Bloody Hell!

I thought Connolly's article was spot on.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews ... 29438.html

When we flogged the Bulldogs, did they fly into the panic we are now at? were they demanding eade's head? Johnson to be traded?

I'm dissapointed, gutted, I want improvement, I want effort. But really, all Rats fault? Can someone explain how anything done in the coaches box on Friday in the 2nd half would have influenced the fact that man on man we got flogged?

I think we have allowed ourselves to get ahead of just where we are in our improvement.


Excellent post.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Couldnt agree more
Author:  bluechucky [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:15 am ]
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I agree with Connolly's article too.

I will say, though, that I think Ratts could do with a tactical mentor, Like Voss has with Brittan (Remember, he was considered a master match day tactician). I'd love for Laidley to be in the coaches box with Ratts.
Author:  budzy [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:23 am ]
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I don't know, but I'd say Brits is more of a day to day managerial assistant to Voss more than anything else.
When you have a position of head coach I think his tactical philosophies are the rule of the day.
It'd be nice to think it could, but I can't see a mix of Ratten and Laidleys philosophies working smoothely together.
Author:  Orangewhip [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: News Blues soul searching after ‘inexcusable loss’
jimmy3741 wrote:
AIRCAV wrote:
Geez I know we are dissapointed and I hate losing to Essendon*, but really, have we turned into Richmond fans?

On Thursday, things were ok at Visy Park. By saturday afternoon, the ground was ready to be set on fire, a truckload of manure was on order, Fev was traded, half our list sacked and Sticks gone.

Bloody Hell!

I thought Connolly's article was spot on.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews ... 29438.html

When we flogged the Bulldogs, did they fly into the panic we are now at? were they demanding eade's head? Johnson to be traded?

I'm dissapointed, gutted, I want improvement, I want effort. But really, all Rats fault? Can someone explain how anything done in the coaches box on Friday in the 2nd half would have influenced the fact that man on man we got flogged?

I think we have allowed ourselves to get ahead of just where we are in our improvement.


Excellent post.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Couldnt agree more


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
(That's the obligatory 5 x 2, which becomes the more-than-obligatory-10. The sole emoticon will not be happy.)
Fantastic post.
Author:  Melvey [ Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:37 am ]
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Brett Ratten won't want a Dean Laidley or Damien Hardwick sitting next to him in he coaches box because they have some idea. You can't have your assistants making sense than your senior coach
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