After the Q&A with Ratten it got me thinking....does Wayne Hughes put too much emphasis on his potential draftees to be 'Good kids'?

I'd expect introverted players to be more reactive and that's what we are seeing time and time again. I see young players from other clubs having a bit of guts and mongrel but what I see from Carlton is juts rabbits in the headlights.....reactive, scared and sheepish footballers.

Perhaps our list will take more time to develop....or maybe it's not them at all and it's our lack of gameplan.

I don't know but there is a pattern happening...and it's "oh shit I have the ball...what do I do!!!!?"...

Everythings bad after a loss....but this one hurt me.....and I'm seriously doubting or list/coach/everything at the moment.

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I was thinking about this last night. Too many of our players go into their shells when the chips are down. Having introverts in the team is not bad in and of itself, but the balance is clearly off in the team. How do you gee players up on the ground when there is no one there to do it? This is an on-field leadership problem that has afflicted the club for a number of years.

What troubles me is that the exact same problems of balance are to be found in the coaching staff at Carlton. Ratten, Riley and Harvey it is fair to say, IMO, quite reserved types. Again, not bad in and of itself, but how is our team supposed to play attacking, pro-active football when it's filled in a large majority with shy and retiring types?

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You could see many of the Essendon* players gobbing off and getting physical with our players during breaks in the game and we didnt react in any way. They intimidated us and you are right we dont have enough ,or any ,tough players.

Don't know if its introverted personalities or coaching but I agree with you in that we don't have many players at all who like to back themselves in.

Players of the type who will see a gap in between 3 opposition players and say 'righto, I have enough pace and skills to break through them all and/or get them to come after me and set up someone else'. It's not because they don't have the talent to, otherwise they would be here, its just that they are scared to for whatever reason. Could be they are scared of making themselves look foolish, or a directive from the coach to play more defensive. I don't know.

Currently, the only ones who do this are Judd, Bower, Armfield and Murphy. Waite and Walker are two who are also good at it but we need a hell of a lot more of them, and fast.

All good teams' players have a touch of confidence (not arrogance) about them but we don't see that enough from our players even though we know that they have the talent to do that.

I'd put Simmo in that category too (willing to take game on). 1AW is another who will help in this area. We do of course have one BIG extrovert......but he's a total buffoon

That's right they do have the talent! grrrr

Maybe it's the expectation put upon us.....I don't know.

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Bruce Doull was the biggest introvert to ever play the game. Talk to David Parkin and he''ll tell you he never heard Doull talk but put Doull out on the ground and he understood he had a responsibility to his team.
It's a perfectly legitimate question TBM but IMO, if we continue to make excuses for players, we're giving them a cop out.

It should be an absolute expectation that players should communicate, instruct and be proactive in their actions. It's not an optional choice.
If players refuse to do it, accept it as a deficiency in their game and treat them with the same ruthlessness afforded players who cant kick or run.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

The too many introverts query did cross my mind, but I don't think its a big issue. The main issue is they haven't played that many games, which is why their more introverted/not as confident, which will generally be the case. If they have the ability and drive to play, it wont matter about their personality.

I think our issue is more leadership, when things get tough out on the ground. Essendon* still have Fletcher, Lucas and Lloyd. We only really have Judd who provides leadership at the moment, with Simmo to a lesser extent coming into that category. The others who will or do provide leadership qualities are Waite (Injured) and our number 1 picks Kreuz, Murph and Gibbs, who are all too young at this stage to provide legitimate leadership qualities. And no our vice captain is not a leader, he is a squib.

The gameplan is unrealistic in this day and age.

Thats gotta kill you!!!

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People assume introverts aren't as confident however this isn't always the case.....often it's the extroverts that lack confidence deep down and they seek attention to compensate.

Judd, Kreuzer and Bower are supposedly all introverts and I'm very happy with their performances so far this year.

Steve Waugh was an introvert and he always seemed to rise to the occasion when required.

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Very noticable the other night. Many times I saw Fletcher shouting instructions at the younger Essendon* defenders. Our defense on Friday night lacked leadership (they're all fairly young) ..... up forward it was just anarchy.

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We have to diferentiate between people who are not confident in themselves and people who are not confident in what they have been taught and how it translates out in the heat of the battle.

If you are drilled with a realistic purpose everybdy understands their role out in the middle and how they fit into the overall scheme of things in a game.
They have confidence in what their teammates are doing.. they know where theyre going etc...
What a well drilled team does is minimises the guesswork and second guessing.. and instills a sense of predictability to what youre doing .

This does not mean you have a trick that doesnt work and you flog it to death....

Its a formula for success...it means when you use the formula youll get a probable result.. it doesnt mean perfection in a human activity like sport.. but there is a probability of knowing the outcome.

What youre trying to find is the formula that will work more often than not.
Ous isnt that... because the formula is faulty...

.... so the users of the formula dont believe it will be bring a probability of a good result...

... the opposition know our formula and have their own to break ours down and make it a probability not to work... yet we still use the same formulas.

Actually when we throw the Ratts formula out the window at times.. we do better....

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Gibbs probably wouldn't be deemed to be 'extroverted', but there was a fair bit of play (and several stoppages) on the wing right in front of me in the last quarter, and, sadly perhaps, he was the only bloke that I saw and heard getting stuck into the Bombers with any sort of aggression - physically and verbally. Some of their guys were particularly 'verbal' (easy to do when you're ~8-9 goals up), but Gibbs was the only one I observed giving any lip and physicality back to them. A bit of a shame to see a few more not give a yelp, unfortunately.

Anyone who thinks Gibbs just cruises along and passively goes about his footy with perhaps a perceived lack of passion for the jumper (I've heard all that said many times already), would've been well served to see those few exchanges on the wing. Looked to be taking the situation pretty bloody personally to me, and stepped in to fly the flag when a couple of our guys were copping some treatment. Introverted perhaps, but I don't mind if they're willing to step up when it's required. Simpson and Joseph are another two that typically show some ticker in this regard, but we'll need to get more blokes on the same page with this. Probably need to be a bit more 'unsociable' as a playing group, and find some more mongrel.

We should never have drafted Myers-Briggs in the 2002 draft

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Agree, I mean how unsociable was the football Hawthorn playing in 2006? Not very. I think its more a case of young players between 20-50 games who still need time to develop, and will find themselves in situations in a game like Friday night which they don't have the experience for.

I do have my doubts about our match day tactics, mind you we got it totally right against St Kilda.

the opposite of introvert is fev .... do we need a team of 22 fev,s .... i say no ......1 is enought ,
what you require to make a great team is a balance of, introverts, extroverts, leaders , + followers
then passion ,responsibility , belief to the club + team mates

I watched that extrovert Campbell Brown play unsociable football against Nic Nat in the last at Subiaco on the weekend. Worked a treat. Put the young bloke right off his game. Only got a couple of touches.

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