TalkingCarlton :: View topic - JR needs to find a new gimmick.

His forward defensive role that split the TC ranks has seemingly gone to Houlihan.

Big mistake not playing JR last night.

He could have run with Dal Santo or Montanga who carved us up.

Jr needs to be molded into a Stenglein/Welshe type of player. Work on his engine over the preseason so he can run with the best

budzy wrote:

His forward defensive role that split the TC ranks has seemingly gone to Houlihan.

I DID notice people calling for Hoilihan to be dropped, so i guess he's doing it well :grin:

JR's a defensive forward still? What games have you been watching.

Russell has every opportunity to find a solid niche as an AFL player - he has the ability, he will get another season on the list. The answer is in his head. Don't forget he played some fine games early season.

Maybe he needs to move clubs?

Maybe he should declare himself as a Sydney born Irish Fijian and then he could play flower everyweek and people would be hailing him as a star

He's skills are just awful. He misses the most basic targets in the most cringe-worthy of ways.

ryan2000 wrote:

He's skills are just awful. He misses the most basic targets in the most cringe-worthy of ways.

I find it hard to believe you honestly think you're being honest with this. His disposal has been better than average most times he's been "visible" during a match, and in particular during the match v Sydney at the SCG was one of the few who did their job; did it well; hit targets and beat his man.
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Author:	budzy [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:29 am ]
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His forward defensive role that split the TC ranks has seemingly gone to Houlihan. Maybe Ratts thinks Houla has a greater scope to kick goals than JR whilst keeping his opponent quiet at the same time. How can we re-invent JR with another role, or is he done?

Author:	bondiblue [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:40 am ]
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I was really surprised that Houla could blanket Fisher of StKilda, and with his goalkicking ability seems to be a more dangerous prospect than Russell Look the pressure is on for spots in the 22. I think that Russell will find it hard to crack this team. The defense is right, the firwardline is fine, and the midfield is strong with Walker to come back. I think Robinson with another preseason will pass him, but you just never know. As for tricks or gimmicks I think he just has to continue to work hard and improve his prospects for another call up. Keep banging that door. I mean what else can he do? Where there's a heart beat there's always a chance.

Author:	The Normal One [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:23 am ]
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PA Rep? I say unleash the beast and let him attack the game through the midfield/half back.

Author:	Melvey [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:34 am ]
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Big mistake not playing JR last night. He could have run with Dal Santo or Montanga who carved us up. Jr needs to be molded into a Stenglein/Welshe type of player. Work on his engine over the preseason so he can run with the best

Author:	Juzzy [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:37 am ]
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budzy wrote: His forward defensive role that split the TC ranks has seemingly gone to Houlihan. I DID notice people calling for Hoilihan to be dropped, so i guess he's doing it well

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Author:	The Old Darks [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:26 am ]
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Melvey wrote: Big mistake not playing JR last night. He could have run with Dal Santo or Montanga who carved us up. Jr needs to be molded into a Stenglein/Welshe type of player. Work on his engine over the preseason so he can run with the best Hmmmm. Having a team chock full of elite ball winners means we don't have many options to go in hard to provide protection for Judd and co, just like Judd had when he was at his best at West Coast. If Russell has the endurance to follow the ball and protect the ball winners, maybe he has a role?

Author:	budzy [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:29 am ]
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Juzzy wrote: budzy wrote: His forward defensive role that split the TC ranks has seemingly gone to Houlihan. I DID notice people calling for Hoilihan to be dropped, so i guess he's doing it well Needs to hurt his opponents offensively as well with goals. How many did he kick last night??? ...just as many as JR! Be very interesting what role JR plays in the ants today...

Author:	jimmae [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:15 pm ]
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JR's a defensive forward still? What games have you been watching.

Author:	Humpers [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:38 pm ]
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No doubting the defensive side of JR's game is very good however he needs to kick those goals when the opportunity presents itself. Banno only got 10 poss's last night but was a valuable contributor because (other than his defensive job on Gram) of his 2 goals. JR probably would have done a similar defensive job, got a few more poss's than Banno however he wouldn't have taken his chances. Hopefully he will come back from his VFL stint a more confident player.

Author:	Megaman [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:06 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: JR's a defensive forward still? What games have you been watching.

Author:	aramari [ Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:18 pm ]
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Russell has every opportunity to find a solid niche as an AFL player - he has the ability, he will get another season on the list. The answer is in his head. Don't forget he played some fine games early season. Maybe he needs to move clubs?

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:12 pm ]
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aramari wrote: Russell has every opportunity to find a solid niche as an AFL player - he has the ability, he will get another season on the list. The answer is in his head. Don't forget he played some fine games early season. Maybe he needs to move clubs? Maybe it would be best for Carlton and JR if he was allowed to show his worth before the end of the season, and if he can show that he's a part of Carlton's future, then great, if not, then maybe we can get a decent pick for him. I think he's had a very good year this year, and a lot of people are very quick to jump on his mistakes and are reluctant to give him credit for his improvement.

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:17 pm ]
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Maybe he should declare himself as a Sydney born Irish Fijian and then he could play shit everyweek and people would be hailing him as a star

Author:	Jarusa [ Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:19 pm ]
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Sydney Blue wrote: Maybe he should declare himself as a Sydney born Irish Fijian and then he could play flower everyweek and people would be hailing him as a star Jordain O'rUssell?

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Author:	klakker [ Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:58 am ]
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Will find it very hard to crack a permanent spot now . Anderson , Robinson , Hadley and Yarran are all in the twos , and are better players than JR . He got an armchair ride at selection for a couple of years , but I think the picnics over . And , unfortunately , would have no trade value .

Author:	The Duke [ Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:47 am ]
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He'll only be needed again if we have 15+ injuries.

Author:	Taff [ Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:48 am ]
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Sydney Blue wrote: Maybe he should declare himself as a Sydney born Irish Fijian and then he could play flower everyweek and people would be hailing him as a star Who's hailing him as a "star"?

Author:	ryan2000 [ Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:53 am ]
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aramari wrote: Russell has every opportunity to find a solid niche as an AFL player - he has the ability, he will get another season on the list. The answer is in his head. Don't forget he played some fine games early season. Maybe he needs to move clubs? I aggree with this. I think the main problem with Russell is entierly in his head. He's skills are just awful. He misses the most basic targets in the most cringe-worthy of ways. But i don't think that was part of his game prior to us drafting him. I feel he's lost all self-belief and is low on confidence. This 'Going to ground' business too. I think he's just so desperate to get into the game that he'll throw himself at the ball without thinking. I've been one to consistantly call for Russell to be dropped, and with good and validated reasons too. But all you Russell lovers just think that it's cause i hate him. QUITE THE OPPOSITE. I want the kid to succeed. But, he's current form does not warrant him in this side.

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:07 pm ]
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ryan2000 wrote: He's skills are just awful. He misses the most basic targets in the most cringe-worthy of ways. I find it hard to believe you honestly think you're being honest with this. His disposal has been better than average most times he's been "visible" during a match, and in particular during the match v Sydney at the SCG was one of the few who did their job; did it well; hit targets and beat his man. I'm neither here nor there on him, only that if he's in the seniors and is doing what's asked of him, then there's little more that can be said. However, if it's better for the club that he move on, then so be it. Like I've said consistently: Way too many are way too quick to jump on every error JR makes, yet give no credit for when he does what he's been tasked to do.

Author:	ryan2000 [ Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:13 am ]
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Kaptain Kouta wrote: ryan2000 wrote: He's skills are just awful. He misses the most basic targets in the most cringe-worthy of ways. I find it hard to believe you honestly think you're being honest with this. His disposal has been better than average most times he's been "visible" during a match, and in particular during the match v Sydney at the SCG was one of the few who did their job; did it well; hit targets and beat his man. . I do honestly believe that.............because it's true. He's dissposal is not up to AFL standards. Hell, it was still very poor on the weekend at VFL level. I remember the Adelaide match when he missed fevola with a handball from just a few meters and then 10min later missed Murphy by 5 mtrs and kicked it out on the full. I don't want this page to be turned into a 'slagging JR' thread so i'm gonna stop here. But he needs to work on his skills. And i really can't buy the whole 'Oh but it's his ability to shut down players that nobody see's' card either! Aaron Joespeh does the whole 'Defensive' side of the game perfectly but, the difference is, when he gets the ball he uses it quite well.