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I think the most concerning thing is that we don't know how we want to play as a club.

One week we play fast, attacking and free flowing football, the next week were are overly defensive
One week we try to play with finesse and over use the ball, the next week we play direct and move it quickly
One week we play the flanks, the next we go straight up the middle
One week Fev is the main man, the next week we are trying to share it around
One week we are accountable, the next week we think its up to our opponents to chase us

I realize that each week our opponent is different, the ground is different, etc, but to me we seem to have no idea as to what sort of football we want to play.

Yes we are young, yes we are coming from a long way back, and yes we are getting better, but I agree that much of the improvement is organic, rather then educated. I hate to use other clubs as a model, but I'm going to anyway. When Knights took over Essendon*, he went in with the game plan of playing fast, exciting, attacking football, and even though they got smashed a couple of times, he stuck with it, recruited towards it, and made its clear that it was the way he wanted to play. Now whether that style of football is right or wrong, we don't appear to be developing a 'style' at all.

I think that with anything in life, you need to start with the finish line in mind. I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes, so I hope that I am wrong, but we appear to be going with the flow and waiting for things to work themselves out.

Author:	budzy [ Sun May 31, 2009 7:10 am ]
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I thought I'd take this post from Juddanaught09 from mess that is this weeks Pros/Cons thread and start a discussion on what we assume Ratts is trying to teach our players. Juddanaught09 wrote: I think the most concerning thing is that we don't know how we want to play as a club. One week we play fast, attacking and free flowing football, the next week were are overly defensive One week we try to play with finesse and over use the ball, the next week we play direct and move it quickly One week we play the flanks, the next we go straight up the middle One week Fev is the main man, the next week we are trying to share it around One week we are accountable, the next week we think its up to our opponents to chase us I realize that each week our opponent is different, the ground is different, etc, but to me we seem to have no idea as to what sort of football we want to play. Yes we are young, yes we are coming from a long way back, and yes we are getting better, but I agree that much of the improvement is organic, rather then educated. I hate to use other clubs as a model, but I'm going to anyway. When Knights took over Essendon, he went in with the game plan of playing fast, exciting, attacking football, and even though they got smashed a couple of times, he stuck with it, recruited towards it, and made its clear that it was the way he wanted to play. Now whether that style of football is right or wrong, we don't appear to be developing a 'style' at all. I think that with anything in life, you need to start with the finish line in mind. I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes, so I hope that I am wrong, but we appear to be going with the flow and waiting for things to work themselves out. It seems to me that the players are not given a singular type of game style to play (as opposed to Essendons fast paced style only). I think Ratts is trying to get there heads around a number of different styles that changes depending on who we are playing and how an opposition are playing during a particular game. So far this year, I think the playing group has clearly struggled at times knowing exactly what situation they're in during games and what they should be actually doing. Is this maybe a case of information overload and perhaps a scaling back of tactical instruction is required and revert to a simpler (singular) gamestyle (Essendon?) or, if the above theory is correct, continue on with the education and hope the players cope with all the 'education' and respond positively to it in the short/medium term?

Author:	murraycray [ Sun May 31, 2009 8:08 am ]
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Information overload ? Yeah, probably a valid point. But if we were to settle on one game plan only, we could be easily worked out and then picked off. eg, Pagans Paddock. The Adelaide game probably illustrated there is confusion at times in the ranks, but being a young side mistakes will occur. ''IF'' the players can get theirs heads around being able to ''change up'' then that will be a positive. Perhaps getting a cohesive back line is the key. At the minute IMO all the changes seem to be made to compensate for deficiencies in defence. Getting our defence settled and firing will go a long way towards giving us a potent game plan(s).

Author:	murraycray [ Sun May 31, 2009 8:29 am ]
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Good thread Budzy. Actually in fairness to Ratts we have probably been playing with plan B etc all season. If Warnock was up and firing, we may have been able to play Kruezer at CHF. And also Walker in defence. Only 2 inclusions would have made a huge difference to the game plans currently being employed.

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Sun May 31, 2009 10:11 am ]
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If the side is going to be successful they will need to all that are more with in the same game If you predictable you will get smashed - remember Dennis

Author:	Melvey [ Sun May 31, 2009 11:41 am ]
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Maybe he is developing this team maybe he's not. Now not sure how much a cop out this is, last week Woosha said he could coach this team to play finals this year or he can coach this team to win a premiership in the near future.

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Author:	ThePsychologist [ Sun May 31, 2009 1:05 pm ]
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Maybe the question should be, who's teaching Ratts?

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Sun May 31, 2009 2:32 pm ]
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Clarkson obviuosly rang Ratten up to get his advise on how to play the crows at home It has worked a treat - Hawks down by 8 goals at half time He is a good listener Clarkson

Author:	brazilbeliever [ Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:07 pm ]
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If thats the case and we are developing a multi pronged gameplan (depending on oponent, time in the game etc) then yeah I would be beyond therapy with excitement. If we make the finals this year and the players are well drilled by next year and they get thier heads around the concept ... then wow it could work an absolute treat. Plenty of ifs there though ... sounds a bit like if ma granma had balls .... BUT saying that I like the approach if its valid.

Author:	The Normal One [ Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:10 pm ]
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Jack of all trades, master of none?

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