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Do coaches use YOUTH as a bit of a bulldust excuse sometimes?

Ratten used inexperience as an excuse for last weekend's atrocity.

I find it hard to believe inexperience is what led us to kick 0.5 in the first half, when you consider Adelaide had their fair share of youth …

Dangerfield 10 games
Otten 10
Vince 39
Symes 20
Moran 9
Mackay 27
Maric 34
Tippett 27
Walker 8

Joseph 9
Yarran 3
Armfield 14
Robinson 5
Austin 7
Kruezer 28
Jamison 27
Bower 32
Browne 14
Hampson 14

Adelaide avg age - 24yr 10 mth
avg games - 87.6

Carlton avg age - 23yr 0 mth
avg games - 61.6

When looking at your stats Adelaides youngsters are probably about a year ahead of ours and they have a stack more experience in their upper end

BUT

Still not an excuse for saturdays performance

(unless it turns out to be one of those brisbane lions v Carlton 2001 games/turning points :wink:

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coffee man wrote:

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Good post

coffee man wrote:

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Good post

If we had of played with the intensity and pressure that we applied in the third for most of the game we would have won. Structures or no structures. When we applied the pressure their structures went out the window the same as when they clamped down on us early any plans we had went out the window.

We are a young team but we have to learn to show up with the right attitude each week. So do the young Crows who have been equally as inconsistant this year.

Go Blues !

club29 wrote:

The sting was out of the game by then..
we hadnt kicked a goal....
Adelaide stepped it up again and kicked the first in the last to seal it and then continued on....

Joseph 9
Yarran 3
Armfield 14
Robinson 5
Austin 7
Kruezer 28
Jamison 27
Bower 32
Browne 14
Hampson 14

vs

Davey 28
Houli 18
Dempsey 19
Hooker 6
Zahararkis 8
Hocking 12
Neagle 12
Pears 14
Jetta 26
Bellchambers 6

Virgin Blue wrote:

What were our teams numbers when we played the tigers back when they had spirit and beat them by 84pts ?

Robo 0
Garlett 0
AJ 0
Sauce 0
Jamo 20
Kreuser 20
Bower 20

........and so on.

Trust me its the instructions coming from our coach. The players are confused.

Author:	Virgin Blue [ Mon May 25, 2009 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Is YOUTH really an excuse?
Do coaches use YOUTH as a bit of a bulldust excuse sometimes? Ratten used inexperience as an excuse for last weekend's atrocity. I find it hard to believe inexperience is what led us to kick 0.5 in the first half, when you consider Adelaide had their fair share of youth … Dangerfield 10 games Otten 10 Vince 39 Symes 20 Moran 9 Mackay 27 Maric 34 Tippett 27 Walker 8 Joseph 9 Yarran 3 Armfield 14 Robinson 5 Austin 7 Kruezer 28 Jamison 27 Bower 32 Browne 14 Hampson 14

Author:	aramari [ Mon May 25, 2009 12:26 pm ]
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Virgin Blue wrote: Do coaches use YOUTH as a bit of a bulldust excuse sometimes? Ratten used inexperience as an excuse for last weekend's atrocity. I find it hard to believe inexperience is what led us to kick 0.5 in the first half, when you consider Adelaide had their fair share of youth … Dangerfield 10 games Otten 10 Vince 39 Symes 20 Moran 9 Mackay 27 Maric 34 Tippett 27 Walker 8 Joseph 9 Yarran 3 Armfield 14 Robinson 5 Austin 7 Kruezer 28 Jamison 27 Bower 32 Browne 14 Hampson 14 Symes has played 40. 20 of those were for Port

Author:	coffee man [ Mon May 25, 2009 12:35 pm ]
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Adelaide avg age - 24yr 10 mth avg games - 87.6 Carlton avg age - 23yr 0 mth avg games - 61.6 When looking at your stats Adelaides youngsters are probably about a year ahead of ours and they have a stack more experience in their upper end BUT Still not an excuse for saturdays performance (unless it turns out to be one of those brisbane lions v Carlton 2001 games/turning points )

Author:	Virgin Blue [ Mon May 25, 2009 12:47 pm ]
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coffee man wrote: Adelaide avg age - 24yr 10 mth avg games - 87.6 Carlton avg age - 23yr 0 mth avg games - 61.6 When looking at your stats Adelaides youngsters are probably about a year ahead of ours and they have a stack more experience in their upper end BUT Still not an excuse for saturdays performance (unless it turns out to be one of those brisbane lions v Carlton 2001 games/turning points ) Good post

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Mon May 25, 2009 12:53 pm ]
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Virgin Blue wrote: coffee man wrote: Adelaide avg age - 24yr 10 mth avg games - 87.6 Carlton avg age - 23yr 0 mth avg games - 61.6 When looking at your stats Adelaides youngsters are probably about a year ahead of ours and they have a stack more experience in their upper end BUT Still not an excuse for saturdays performance (unless it turns out to be one of those brisbane lions v Carlton 2001 games/turning points ) Good post Ignore the averages they had 3 players pushing 300 games that lifted their average We were on level billing make no mistake about that Adelaide Games Carlton 11 Less than 50 12 3 50 to 99 4 5 100 to 149 3 3 150 or more 3

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Author:	Synbad [ Mon May 25, 2009 12:54 pm ]
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Virgin Blue wrote: coffee man wrote: Adelaide avg age - 24yr 10 mth avg games - 87.6 Carlton avg age - 23yr 0 mth avg games - 61.6 When looking at your stats Adelaides youngsters are probably about a year ahead of ours and they have a stack more experience in their upper end BUT Still not an excuse for saturdays performance (unless it turns out to be one of those brisbane lions v Carlton 2001 games/turning points ) Good post Those kinds of stats are meaningless. Otherwise Adelaide would be higher up the table. Every team has youth..... Adelaide have a lot of players very long in the tooth... but what they also have is an organised team. Theyre no world beaters... but they do try and stick to a plan Craig has formulated. That plan has been modified this year compared to last year.

Author:	club29 [ Mon May 25, 2009 1:08 pm ]
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If we had of played with the intensity and pressure that we applied in the third for most of the game we would have won. Structures or no structures. When we applied the pressure their structures went out the window the same as when they clamped down on us early any plans we had went out the window. We are a young team but we have to learn to show up with the right attitude each week. So do the young Crows who have been equally as inconsistant this year. Go Blues !

Author:	Synbad [ Mon May 25, 2009 1:13 pm ]
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club29 wrote: If we had of played with the intensity and pressure that we applied in the third for most of the game we would have won. Structures or no structures. When we applied the pressure their structures went out the window the same as when they clamped down on us early any plans we had went out the window. We are a young team but we have to learn to show up with the right attitude each week. So do the young Crows who have been equally as inconsistant this year. Go Blues ! The sting was out of the game by then.. we hadnt kicked a goal.... Adelaide stepped it up again and kicked the first in the last to seal it and then continued on....

Author:	club29 [ Mon May 25, 2009 1:32 pm ]
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Synbad wrote: club29 wrote: If we had of played with the intensity and pressure that we applied in the third for most of the game we would have won. Structures or no structures. When we applied the pressure their structures went out the window the same as when they clamped down on us early any plans we had went out the window. We are a young team but we have to learn to show up with the right attitude each week. So do the young Crows who have been equally as inconsistant this year. Go Blues ! The sting was out of the game by then.. we hadnt kicked a goal.... Adelaide stepped it up again and kicked the first in the last to seal it and then continued on.... Can't really argue with that but it is one of those things we will never really know for sure. Can't argue with the fact we didnt really have the same attitude to the ball as they did early. We were still back in the hotel. Common trait with young sides is inconsistency and being unable to bring your game each week. The crows are the same, Dogs, Freo, West Coast, Collingwood and the Bombers also. The ladder proves this. To think we are special and should be able to bring the right attitude each week is a little hopefull.

Author:	Synbad [ Mon May 25, 2009 1:35 pm ]
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club when Adelaide had to they kicked away again ... didnt they??? When we could have built on that third we didnt.... So youd have to say it was them not us...

Author:	Big Kahuna Boot [ Mon May 25, 2009 3:50 pm ]
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..Fev had a ripper year last year, and we won many on the back of his brilliant performance.. ..and in doin' so, it appears we over-achieved last year.. ..we're not coming yet..

Author:	camel [ Mon May 25, 2009 4:18 pm ]
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I don't think youth is an excuse, because all clubs need youth to continually evolve. But I do believe youth is a genuine explanation for players being inconsistent. Trouble is, on the weekend we were well below par across the board. Didn't matter the age or experience we just weren't hard enough at it. Back to the youth angle... Time and time again young kids get written off after playing a few poor games in their first couple of years. And time and time again, with more games under their belt, some kids come back to prove their doubters wrong. Neon Leon is one example off the top of my head, there are countless others. For every Joel Selwood, Jack Ziebell type that takes to senior footy immediately, there are probably 10 others who need time, development and experience before they really hit their straps. But, as I said, it wasn't the kids that let us down against the Crows.

Author:	Virgin Blue [ Mon May 25, 2009 5:13 pm ]
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Joseph 9 Yarran 3 Armfield 14 Robinson 5 Austin 7 Kruezer 28 Jamison 27 Bower 32 Browne 14 Hampson 14 vs Davey 28 Houli 18 Dempsey 19 Hooker 6 Zahararkis 8 Hocking 12 Neagle 12 Pears 14 Jetta 26 Bellchambers 6

Author:	Melvey [ Mon May 25, 2009 5:24 pm ]
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The excuse, rather reason is that the players had to endure a week of tactical meetings where negative (defensive press up) instruction after instructions were spewed out all week.

Author:	Pafloyul [ Mon May 25, 2009 5:38 pm ]
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The whole argument for and against is a massive red herring. It seems we love to ask questions but when an answer is given we don't want to listen. Symbad's 'beef' is structure and coaching, mine is the list. I say part of it is taking too much of a conservative approach in recruiting, too concerned with our own immediate needs rather than watching how the competition evolves. Symbad is right to highlight his concerns but I don't think it is the only issue. However, I think it is highly simplistic to perhaps think 'effort' is the only thing missing from us being near world beaters. You have to look at just who the players we have are as individuals and as a team and see if we innately have it in us to be a high pressure side and other reasons why we may not be putting in the 'effort'.

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Author:	club29 [ Mon May 25, 2009 5:29 pm ]
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Virgin Blue wrote: Joseph 9 Yarran 3 Armfield 14 Robinson 5 Austin 7 Kruezer 28 Jamison 27 Bower 32 Browne 14 Hampson 14 vs Davey 28 Houli 18 Dempsey 19 Hooker 6 Zahararkis 8 Hocking 12 Neagle 12 Pears 14 Jetta 26 Bellchambers 6 What were our teams numbers when we played the tigers back when they had spirit and beat them by 84pts ? Robo 0 Garlett 0 AJ 0 Sauce 0 Jamo 20 Kreuser 20 Bower 20 ........and so on.

Author:	Melvey [ Mon May 25, 2009 5:40 pm ]
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Trust me its the instructions coming from our coach. The players are confused.

Author:	Blue Beatle [ Mon May 25, 2009 5:43 pm ]
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Virgin Blue wrote: Do coaches use YOUTH as a bit of a bulldust excuse sometimes? Ratten used inexperience as an excuse for last weekend's atrocity. I find it hard to believe inexperience is what led us to kick 0.5 in the first half, when you consider Adelaide had their fair share of youth … Dangerfield 10 games Otten 10 Vince 39 Symes 20 Moran 9 Mackay 27 Maric 34 Tippett 27 Walker 8 Joseph 9 Yarran 3 Armfield 14 Robinson 5 Austin 7 Kruezer 28 Jamison 27 Bower 32 Browne 14 Hampson 14 "Ratten used inexperience as an excuse for last weekend's atrocity." reckon the inexperience was with the coach and MC that set the gameplan that had fev getting kicks on the HBF in the first quarter when we had the wind. look in the mirror ratts!!!

Author:	Blue Beatle [ Mon May 25, 2009 5:46 pm ]
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club29 wrote: Virgin Blue wrote: Joseph 9 Yarran 3 Armfield 14 Robinson 5 Austin 7 Kruezer 28 Jamison 27 Bower 32 Browne 14 Hampson 14 vs Davey 28 Houli 18 Dempsey 19 Hooker 6 Zahararkis 8 Hocking 12 Neagle 12 Pears 14 Jetta 26 Bellchambers 6 What were our teams numbers when we played the tigers back when they had spirit and beat them by 84pts ? Robo 0 Garlett 0 AJ 0 Sauce 0 Jamo 20 Kreuser 20 Bower 20 ........and so on. exactly!!! spirit and gameplan. give the kids their heads like matty knights is doing with the bombers. BTW where is garlett?

Author:	Pafloyul [ Mon May 25, 2009 5:46 pm ]
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Melvey wrote: Trust me its the instructions coming from our coach. The players are confused. Yes, I see that but I also see that our list still 'needs' to be better.