TruBlueBrad wrote:
Pagan was on to something when he played GIBBS at Full-Back.
Well he probably thought he could play Full Back like his old man did.....
Pagan =
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| Author: | Virgin Blue [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defense Look at all the recent Premiership sides. In fact look at ALL the Premiership sides. They all had good KPPs down defenses. Carl - Silvagni North - Martyn Ess - Fletcher Bris - Michael Geel - Scarlett Swans - Barry West Coast - Glass Hawks - Hodge What have we got? I know we're only 3 rounds in, but already we have one of the worst Scores Against in the AFL... and we haven't even played one of the top sides yet. It's time to take a serious look at our defense. Against Essendon* not only did old timers like Lloyd own us in the air, but we also got cut up down back at ground level. Little fellas like the Daveys killed us. In a nutshell, our defense sucks. What we need is a LEADER down back. And as much as I like Jamo, his quiet approach is not what I am talkng about. We need a Hodge. A player who is prepared to lead by example, who is prepared to take the game on and be tough but also defend. Defense is the spring board to attack. What have we got? Jamison - good defender but has dodgy shoulders and is not attacking like a SOS or Hodge ! Waite - exceptional as the extra man down back who provides cover and re-bound, but far from convincing as a pure man-on-man KPP defender (that said he did OK the other night) Johnston - dubious defensively (both ground and air... great kick though) Thornton - above average but despite his experience is still unrelibale against the better forwards Bower - after 4 pre-seasons is only marginally bulkier than Essendon*'s Dempsey amd has a yen for freezing in headlights ! Carrazzo - anyone who gets beaten by Monfries hasn't got much to hang his hat on Scotland - decent player but runs one way only and has a worrying penchent for running around in circles Stevens - just isn't bulit for defense Austin - still young but struggles against opponents on the lead therefore FB is questionnable Setanta - deserves another shot, but is probably getting close to his last chance given his age On paper, at a massive 199cm the big Irish is our best shot down back, with Ozzie an agile flanker or CHB. But has Santy got the goods? Is he better than his deplorable showing against Bichmond 12 months ago suggests? I dunno, but I bloody hope so, because without him I'm not sure we have a good enough backline to win a Premieriship... which would be a crime given Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Kruezer and Fevola will be so far ahead of their game in the next few years... |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defense |
ummm, we do have a percentage of over 150 after three rounds. Jamison is a very good KP backman. Not sure what this thread is about really. It's Jamison, stoopid. |
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| Author: | blu944 [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defense |
get Micky Martin back |
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| Author: | moshe25 [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defense |
Yep. I reckon Hodge would be the answer on guys like Lloyd and Jono Brown and Bradshaw. |
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| Author: | tommi [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defense |
It's DEFENCE.................! kindest regards tommi Defence...............! |
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| Author: | The Normal One [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defense |
Replace defence with consisntency and intensity are you're closer to the mark. |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defense |
Pagan was on to something when he played GIBBS at Full-Back. |
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| Author: | Dirko [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defense |
TruBlueBrad wrote: Pagan was on to something when he played GIBBS at Full-Back. Well he probably thought he could play Full Back like his old man did..... Pagan =
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| Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
I think VB is on to something. He’s not saying we won’t win games or have a decent percentage with our current defensive line-up. He’s saying we won’t win a premiership. I tend to agree. |
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| Author: | kingkerna [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
same Horse, our backline is our weakness, everyone knows this. Jamison was a massive loss. I see the upside in Johnson though. |
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| Author: | dannyboy [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
I also agree. In those moments of the game when our midfield is not dominating our backline struggles to minimize the damage. I think that's the next development we need to address, but that's just it. We had to address our midfield - we have. Our ruck stocks - we have. And our forward structure is much better. I think we can structure up better this year - I do not want Stevo near a defensive position - I think T-Bird must play on their 3rd tall - so play Santy or whoever to allow this. Johnno or Scotland but never both. I'd like Army in there or Browney and I'd like to see the club get a few games into Austin/Edwards and Harts down back (when injuries - to them or others allow). See if any of them can help down there. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
You could put forward an arguement that if we had converted our chances we would have romped in But what we have to do more than anything is learn how to win 3 in a row - we have done it once since 2001 and that was against 12th 15th and 16th - Everytime they get close we get a lot of flowery press and bingo we get done - this is the biggest barrier we need to overcome before they can move forward Saying that we need Jamo back and a suitable replacement for Hot Head Thornton sooner rather than later |
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| Author: | dannyboy [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
I think T-Bird is fine on the 3rd tall but he is not a FB/ CHB. |
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| Author: | gsker1 [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
We need to get Setanta back there for sure! We put Grigg in and it didn't pay off .. need a big defender down back to replace Jamo. What happened to Austin? I thought he was gonna be the next Peter Dean .... |
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| Author: | kingkerna [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
Austin is young, let development take its course with him. I do expect him to play a few games this year though. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
gsker1 wrote: We need to get Setanta back there for sure! We put Grigg in and it didn't pay off .. need a big defender down back to replace Jamo. What happened to Austin? I thought he was gonna be the next Peter Dean .... Austin has a groin injury and hasn't been playing Setanta isn't the answer we need a defence general Setanta needs to sort his own game out we need someone to organise them down back - a Hodge- Scarlett- Glass - Barry- type of player - The club has been hinging it's hopes on Stevens and Scotland doing this role but i don't think they are up to it and are not suited to the role - The only player on the list who looks remotely capable of doing this is Gibbs - but he is not physically up to playing a permanent backman role against bigger bodies yet and plus that is robbing the midfield of a star . I read in the Bullants reports tha Hartlett has been shifted to defence on the weekend maybe after a couple of years away from there and learning that he is never going to make it as a CHF plus a bit more maturity he might be a prospect - Hope they keep him there for a month or so to see how he goes |
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| Author: | Humpers [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
Hawks won a flag with a "no name" defence so who knows. Hopefully Austin can evolve into a quality defender and Jamo's shoulders hold up OK. Agree that Thornton should be a "third tall" defender and Waite is more of a rebounding type. At the end of the day if your midfield isn't applying pressure it is very tough for your defence. West Coast circa 2005/06 would kick big scores with a very average forward line because of their midfield dominance. |
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| Author: | Humpers [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
Sydney Blue wrote: I read in the Bullants reports tha Hartlett has been shifted to defence on the weekend maybe after a couple of years away from there and learning that he is never going to make it as a CHF plus a bit more maturity he might be a prospect - Hope they keep him there for a month or so to see how he goes Many people on this forum ridicule the idea of Hartlett in defence however I think he may be best suited to this position.....lets persist with him there in the Bullants and see what happens. |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
Our defence needs some drilling. We dont and cant get a Hodge , Scarlett etc. Often theyre playing their man wrong.. or in the wrong spots ... its not the personnel. |
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| Author: | Princes Park Whistler [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We won't win a Premiership til we sort out our Our Defence |
Austin definitely the answer at CHB and should be playing there in the 2nd half of the year. Great size,good mark and kick and reads the play well. If he can hold down this position, the whole backline complexion changes with some exciting possibilities(ie Waite on a wing). Add maybe O`Keefe in an Ang Christou type role with his kicking and Browne/Armfield for the small forwards and the defence might not be the problem people think it is. Most of the defensive group is still young and developing and will be vastly better after 100+ games. |
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