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Author: | DownUnderChick [ Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/74131/default.aspx Good artcle by Lethal but then he flowers it up with this comment. ![]() Quote: The extra carrot of a role as an environmental ambassador at the Pratt-owned Visy was an added bonus. How this is not included in Carlton’s salary cap is a mystery to me but that is another story.
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Author: | Crusader [ Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
I would've thought that the AFL website was more of a fact-based medium. Speculation over salaries and what is and isn't included under the cap is the role of the MSM. Quote: Carlton, with pick one and three and Pratt as president, were in the box-seat That's not what I heard... |
Author: | billc3 [ Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
Crusader wrote: Quote: Carlton, with pick one and three and Pratt as president, were in the box-seat That's not what I heard... ![]() Lethal is trying to pump up his "old" team....the Old.."They reckon they're better than you" |
Author: | GWS [ Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
DownUnderChick wrote: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/74131/default.aspx Good artcle by Lethal but then he flowers it up with this comment. ![]() Quote: The extra carrot of a role as an environmental ambassador at the Pratt-owned Visy was an added bonus. How this is not included in Carlton’s salary cap is a mystery to me but that is another story. Seems like a fair question to me... ![]() |
Author: | DownUnderChick [ Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
GWS wrote: DownUnderChick wrote: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/74131/default.aspx Good artcle by Lethal but then he flowers it up with this comment. ![]() Quote: The extra carrot of a role as an environmental ambassador at the Pratt-owned Visy was an added bonus. How this is not included in Carlton’s salary cap is a mystery to me but that is another story. Seems like a fair question to me... ![]() Why? |
Author: | woof [ Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
GWS wrote: Seems like a fair question to me... ![]() It would be a fair question as long as Voss, Black, Lynch, Aker, Power etc. etc. never received money from 3rd parties. Obviously that did not happen whilst Lethal was coach. |
Author: | buzzaaaah [ Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
woof wrote: GWS wrote: Seems like a fair question to me... ![]() It would be a fair question as long as Voss, Black, Lynch, Aker, Power etc. etc. never received money from 3rd parties. Obviously that did not happen whilst Lethal was coach. There was a lot of rumours about the brisbane boys getting payments/jobs with sponsors like Suncorp. At least this is out in the open. Also worth remembering that the deal got the go-ahead from the AFL sometime last year. At the time Judd chose Carlton he couldnt have known the Visy job was guaranteed. |
Author: | Humpers [ Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
It will be interesting to see how our players respond to all this positive feedback from the media. Remember the match we lost against Essendon* last year after heroic victories against Collingwood and Port Adelaide......I just hope we handle it better this year and don't become complacent. |
Author: | GWS [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
woof wrote: GWS wrote: Seems like a fair question to me... ![]() It would be a fair question as long as Voss, Black, Lynch, Aker, Power etc. etc. never received money from 3rd parties. Obviously that did not happen whilst Lethal was coach. Lethal was coach not CEO or club president. I wouldn't expect Ratten to have anything to do with Judd's financial arrangements and I doubt Lethal did with his Brisbane players. It's a fair question when any of these arrangements occur; doesn't matter if it's Judd, Brisbane players, James Hird the stockbroker or whomever. |
Author: | DownUnderChick [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
GWS wrote: woof wrote: GWS wrote: Seems like a fair question to me... ![]() It would be a fair question as long as Voss, Black, Lynch, Aker, Power etc. etc. never received money from 3rd parties. Obviously that did not happen whilst Lethal was coach. Lethal was coach not CEO or club president. I wouldn't expect Ratten to have anything to do with Judd's financial arrangements and I doubt Lethal did with his Brisbane players. It's a fair question when any of these arrangements occur; doesn't matter if it's Judd, Brisbane players, James Hird the stockbroker or whomever. But he is commenting on something that the AFL has already ticked off as being legit. So by making the comment, he is trying to be a journo who hangs around garbage cans. The question is fair when it is asked of ALL players, but the fact of the matter is, that question is only asked in relation to Carlton. And unless you have worked in the inner sanctum at the Lions don't assume to know what Lethal knew about player contracts or how heavily involved he was with the player contracts. |
Author: | kezza [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
From memory, Brisbane players were getting paid by the Bank of Queensland for supposed part time jobs they had there. |
Author: | GWS [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
DownUnderChick wrote: GWS wrote: woof wrote: GWS wrote: Seems like a fair question to me... ![]() It would be a fair question as long as Voss, Black, Lynch, Aker, Power etc. etc. never received money from 3rd parties. Obviously that did not happen whilst Lethal was coach. Lethal was coach not CEO or club president. I wouldn't expect Ratten to have anything to do with Judd's financial arrangements and I doubt Lethal did with his Brisbane players. It's a fair question when any of these arrangements occur; doesn't matter if it's Judd, Brisbane players, James Hird the stockbroker or whomever. But he is commenting on something that the AFL has already ticked off as being legit. So by making the comment, he is trying to be a journo who hangs around garbage cans. The question is fair when it is asked of ALL players, but the fact of the matter is, that question is only asked in relation to Carlton. And unless you have worked in the inner sanctum at the Lions don't assume to know what Lethal knew about player contracts or how heavily involved he was with the player contracts. What a load of crap. I don't give a rat's arse if the AFL ticked it off. The fact that they're complicit in what's clearly a way of giving Judd more money for very little doesn't make it right. If you're going to have a salary cap in the first place then no player should receive any additional remuneration from anyone connected to the club they play for - end of story. Take off your navy blue glasses for a minute. If this was any player from any other team this place would be up in arms. Just like it was (or TBV/CSC were) back when Hird suddenly became a stockbroker. I'm happy to see the club work the system to their advantage but don't get all huffy and puffy when someone questions what's clearly dodgy (if AFL sanctioned) behaviour. |
Author: | Kaptain Kouta [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
GWS wrote: DownUnderChick wrote: GWS wrote: woof wrote: GWS wrote: Seems like a fair question to me... ![]() It would be a fair question as long as Voss, Black, Lynch, Aker, Power etc. etc. never received money from 3rd parties. Obviously that did not happen whilst Lethal was coach. Lethal was coach not CEO or club president. I wouldn't expect Ratten to have anything to do with Judd's financial arrangements and I doubt Lethal did with his Brisbane players. It's a fair question when any of these arrangements occur; doesn't matter if it's Judd, Brisbane players, James Hird the stockbroker or whomever. But he is commenting on something that the AFL has already ticked off as being legit. So by making the comment, he is trying to be a journo who hangs around garbage cans. The question is fair when it is asked of ALL players, but the fact of the matter is, that question is only asked in relation to Carlton. And unless you have worked in the inner sanctum at the Lions don't assume to know what Lethal knew about player contracts or how heavily involved he was with the player contracts. What a load of crap. I don't give a rat's arse if the AFL ticked it off. The fact that they're complicit in what's clearly a way of giving Judd more money for very little doesn't make it right. If you're going to have a salary cap in the first place then no player should receive any additional remuneration from anyone connected to the club they play for - end of story. Take off your navy blue glasses for a minute. If this was any player from any other team this place would be up in arms. Just like it was (or TBV/CSC were) back when Hird suddenly became a stockbroker. I'm happy to see the club work the system to their advantage but don't get all huffy and puffy when someone questions what's clearly dodgy (if AFL sanctioned) behaviour. Hird becoming a stockbroker didn't bother me. Him being paid $100K for the domain name rights to jameshird.com did (ditto Monga), as it was outside the salary cap (IIRC, it was given well after the TPP papers were submitted), and there's no way in heaven or earth the domains were worth that much. |
Author: | woof [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
GWS wrote: Lethal was coach not CEO or club president. I wouldn't expect Ratten to have anything to do with Judd's financial arrangements and I doubt Lethal did with his Brisbane players. It's a fair question when any of these arrangements occur; doesn't matter if it's Judd, Brisbane players, James Hird the stockbroker or whomever. I also would expect that Ratten would not have anything to do with Judd's financial arrangements as well but I would expect that Rats and Lethal would understand that when you have the Fab Four at your disposal plus a host of other stars some of their money will be included in the cap and some of it would be excluded from the cap and it would have to be sanctioned by the AFL. Once that is done it is game over. Lethal kept his list together with AFL help. |
Author: | Steve_C7 [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
I can see Lethals point in that Pratt being president also employing one of it's players does raise some question marks. The question is would his opinion change if Pratt wasn't the president at the time and the same arrangement was is place? I get the feeling that the Lions may have tried something similar and was knocked back by the AFL as they already had a higher Cap than the Victorian teams at the time and that was the motivation for his comment, but that's just my opinion. |
Author: | redskins [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
Not only was Simon Black allowed to work at the Bank of Queensland, he was given a Bank of Queensland franchise in a predominant area. We wont question that though because as we all know, it is only Carlton that cheats!! |
Author: | SurreyBlue [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
redskins wrote: Not only was Simon Black allowed to work at the Bank of Queensland, he was given a Bank of Queensland franchise in a predominant area. We wont question that though because as we all know, it is only Carlton that cheats!! No, no, no, he purchased it with his money and with his financial friend as a partner. Nothing sinister. ![]() |
Author: | GWS [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
SurreyBlue wrote: redskins wrote: Not only was Simon Black allowed to work at the Bank of Queensland, he was given a Bank of Queensland franchise in a predominant area. We wont question that though because as we all know, it is only Carlton that cheats!! No, no, no, he purchased it with his money and with his financial friend as a partner. Nothing sinister. ![]() Yep - dodgy as hell. Doesn't stop Judd's deal being any different. As I said, I'm glad that we're using the system to our advantage and were smart enough to get it okayed but it's amazing the number of people around here who think that just because the AFL agreed to the Judd deal it's somehow unlike the dodgy crap that goes on at every other club. |
Author: | Kaptain Kouta [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
GWS wrote: it's amazing the number of people around here who think that just because the AFL agreed to the Judd deal it's somehow unlike the dodgy crap that goes on at every other club. The way I see it, it is exactly like the dodgy crap which goes on at every other club, this time, we've been smart enough to get in on the action, and get the insurance of having it officially sanctioned by The AFL rather than do it the old way, which cost us massively, or not do it at all, which would mean we'd be miles behind the game. |
Author: | GWS [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Get set to fear Blues rising with a bullet |
Kaptain Kouta wrote: GWS wrote: it's amazing the number of people around here who think that just because the AFL agreed to the Judd deal it's somehow unlike the dodgy crap that goes on at every other club. The way I see it, it is exactly like the dodgy crap which goes on at every other club, this time, we've been smart enough to get in on the action, and get the insurance of having it officially sanctioned by The AFL rather than do it the old way, which cost us massively, or not do it at all, which would mean we'd be miles behind the game. Which is pretty much what I just wrote - it's just the thin skin of those who think nobody should comment on it publicly that shits me. He may be the messiah but he's still a naughty boy... |
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