TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Joseph & Jacobs

That's looking like a shocking decision in hindsight.

Look at this list.

CEO Greg Swann

Senior Coach
Brett Ratten

Assistant Coaches
Mark Riley
Matthew Lappin
Brett Montgomery
Craig Bradley (part-time)

Development & Academy ManagerDarren Harris

Development Coaches
David Teague (Northern Bullants)
Robert Harvey

Does that seem like a group of people who would make a dumb decision about something like nominating a rookie?

I heard that we've promised him a spot... but the team is more important than the individual...

I can't believe the quality of our Rookies... best I've ever seen

I want 3 players promoted we can promote 2 before round 1 and another before round 12....

I don't want Pfieffe to be one of those players, because i don't see what he can offer.

I want Joseph & Jacobs promoted before round 1... and before round 12 we promoted Garlett. Garlett I think is fantastic... but just to let him grow just that little bit.

Jacobs, Jospeh and Garlett all fill up holes and can seriously put their hand up to play seniors in one way or another.... but Pfieffer is not...

I just feel like we're getting ripped off by promoting Pfieffer if we doing it just cause we promised him

This nominated rookie bit is looking pretty important just now .

Pfiefer has apparently been nominated as a result of all the duck-shoving involved with his delisting to enable us to get an extra draft pick etc. .

So we can nominate another rookie now , and another one after round 11 ( I think ) .

Garlett shows he has the goods , but still needs a bit more time I reckon . Would get carved up a bit if thrown in to the real thing immediately .

It seems to be between Jacobs and Joseph for mine . Jacobs is the best ruckman on our list at the moment . Hammer is improving , but not there yet . Needs to learn to mark for a start . Thats one of the basics for a bloke of his size . He held 1 and dropped at least 4 last night . That will cost us close games in the proper season .
Joseph has stepped up a notch from 2008 , and could be a terrific small defender or tagger .
At the moment I think we need Jacobs more .

Promote Joseph after round 11 . Just in time for St.kilda . Play him in the back pocket on the rapist . He'll take him apart if he plays like he did on Ablett .

Haven't taken into account an LTI promotion . We seem to be being kept in the dark as far as Warnock is concerned .

Author:	mjonc [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:19 am ]
Post subject:	Joseph & Jacobs - Elevated Rookies
So rumour has Pfeiffer was promised a Nominated rookie spot, IMO that would be false knowing anything can happen over a pre-season and if the club was professional would wait until the season proper to evaluate the spots. So the question is does anyone actually know "officially" whether anyone has been promoted to a nominated rookie spot? Contenders: Pfeiffer - Injured, coming from middle of pecking order now Jacobs - Super impressive and holding down number 1 ruck role. Jospeh - Playing tagging role, shutdown Rioli in style. Bentley - Playing a role, hasn't stood out as much as others. Garlett - Based on performances would be odds on to gain a spot. Hill - Another year at the Bullants and see how he comes on. Ellard - Will be in contention for promotion come mid season upgrades Stanton - See Hill

Author:	Blue Vain [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:42 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
One of the players on your list (who is definitely in contention) told me Pfeiffer was nominated. If it's false, the players aren't aware of it.

Author:	jimmae [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
That's looking like a shocking decision in hindsight.

Author:	DIAMOTISM [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
jimmae wrote: That's looking like a shocking decision in hindsight. Correct, it should be based on performance. Put the best performed in the seniors.

Author:	AK43 [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
I'm trying to remember that this Pfeiffer rumour is based on one post passing on info from a current player, which AFAIK hasn't been confirmed by the club (not knocking the post, BTW). However IF it's true, and I'm hoping it's not, it's amateur decision making at best. There seems to be no reason why it would need to be done so early, before others have had a chance to show what they can do, and at this point in time I think Jacobs, Garlett and Joseph all deserve a go ahead of Pfeiffer.

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Author:	Rexy [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
Garlett and Joseph have both shown good signs as well as Jacobs in the ruck. It's gonna be tough at the end of this year to work out who to delist. Not sure what Pfeiffer's done to deserve the wrath of posters.

Author:	Wojee [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
I don't think it's wrath so much as people thinking that the club may be better off nominating players that have shown something in the NAB cup.

Author:	AK43 [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
Don't mean it to be construed as wrath towards Pfeiffer, but I think if someone is to be nominated so early, before any practice games have been played, they need to be an absolute standout, which IMO he's not, or we wouldn't have delisted him in the first place.

Author:	Rucci15 [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
IMO there is no decision to be made. Garlett for me is a certainty. Both games now he has electrified us when he has come on and shows that he has somehting special. Dare i say it, to me in the last 2 games he has showed more than Eddie Betts (and i love Eddie)

Author:	Mens sana [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
Look at this list. CEO Greg Swann Senior Coach Brett Ratten Assistant Coaches Mark Riley Matthew Lappin Brett Montgomery Craig Bradley (part-time) Development & Academy ManagerDarren Harris Development Coaches David Teague (Northern Bullants) Robert Harvey Does that seem like a group of people who would make a dumb decision about something like nominating a rookie?

Author:	mjonc [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
Mens sana wrote: Look at this list. CEO Greg Swann Senior Coach Brett Ratten Assistant Coaches Mark Riley Matthew Lappin Brett Montgomery Craig Bradley (part-time) Development & Academy ManagerDarren Harris Development Coaches David Teague (Northern Bullants) Robert Harvey Does that seem like a group of people who would make a dumb decision about something like nominating a rookie? The point is Jacobs is holding down our No1 ruck role very well at present. We actually have a prescence in the middle finally. Then we have Garlett who has added a new dimension to our forward line. Then AJ who is been shutting down some of the oppositions best small guys. Pfeiffer is in the injury group and has been for numerous weeks. I have no intent to bag Pfeiffer, if anyone the MC who promised him the spot.

Author:	Salsiccia [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
Jacobs is a favourite of mine and has been for two years now. I still think one more year in the Bullants wont hurt him. We have plenty of ruck options. The only reason I can see to bring him up would be while 206 is injured. Garlett is a stand out. Pfiffer can surely take the next nominated spot with Sauce up while 206 is on the long term injured list. Pfiffer has not had the chance to show anything since he hasn't been selected yet. I agree with the poster who has faith in the MC

Author:	coryne [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
Exactly how many nominated rookies can we have over the year ??? I thought it was something along the lines of 2 at the start of the season as we have no Veterans on our list, and 1 at the mid way mark of the year (Plus any which come up after a player is placed on the LTI list ???) If this is the case (I could quite easily be wrong) then I would be happy to elevate AJ and Pfeiffer at the start of the year, put Jacobs in for Warnock on the LTI list and elevate Garlett after rd 11 as I firmly believe that he needs some time in the Ants to give him some time to put a little more meat on his bones and to improve on his endurance. That said, if we ONLY have 2 spots I would not hesitate on giving them to Jacobs and Garlett, those 2 are easily the most promising from the rookie list IMO ............

Author:	BlueGunners [ Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Can we please not promote Pfieffer
I heard that we've promised him a spot... but the team is more important than the individual... I can't believe the quality of our Rookies... best I've ever seen I want 3 players promoted we can promote 2 before round 1 and another before round 12.... I don't want Pfieffe to be one of those players, because i don't see what he can offer. I want Joseph & Jacobs promoted before round 1... and before round 12 we promoted Garlett. Garlett I think is fantastic... but just to let him grow just that little bit. Jacobs, Jospeh and Garlett all fill up holes and can seriously put their hand up to play seniors in one way or another.... but Pfieffer is not... I just feel like we're getting ripped off by promoting Pfieffer if we doing it just cause we promised him

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Author:	aramari [ Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Can we please not promote Pfieffer
Habib wrote: I heard that we've promised him a spot... but the team is more important than the individual... I can't believe the quality of our Rookies... best I've ever seen I want 3 players promoted we can promote 2 before round 1 and another before round 12.... I don't want Pfieffe to be one of those players, because i don't see what he can offer. I want Joseph & Jacobs promoted before round 1... and before round 12 we promoted Garlett. Garlett I think is fantastic... but just to let him grow just that little bit. Jacobs, Jospeh and Garlett all fill up holes and can seriously put their hand up to play seniors in one way or another.... but Pfieffer is not... I just feel like we're getting ripped off by promoting Pfieffer if we doing it just cause we promised him I agree that those three have shown more and importantly fill our needs ( small forward, ruck and a fast tagger/back pocket). RR watched the Bullants game and reported big improvements in Pfeiffer's game, so let's not freak out yet

Author:	klakker [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:08 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
This nominated rookie bit is looking pretty important just now . Pfiefer has apparently been nominated as a result of all the duck-shoving involved with his delisting to enable us to get an extra draft pick etc. . So we can nominate another rookie now , and another one after round 11 ( I think ) . Garlett shows he has the goods , but still needs a bit more time I reckon . Would get carved up a bit if thrown in to the real thing immediately . It seems to be between Jacobs and Joseph for mine . Jacobs is the best ruckman on our list at the moment . Hammer is improving , but not there yet . Needs to learn to mark for a start . Thats one of the basics for a bloke of his size . He held 1 and dropped at least 4 last night . That will cost us close games in the proper season . Joseph has stepped up a notch from 2008 , and could be a terrific small defender or tagger . At the moment I think we need Jacobs more . Promote Joseph after round 11 . Just in time for St.kilda . Play him in the back pocket on the rapist . He'll take him apart if he plays like he did on Ablett . Haven't taken into account an LTI promotion . We seem to be being kept in the dark as far as Warnock is concerned .

Author:	bax [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
klakker wrote: This nominated rookie bit is looking pretty important just now . Pfiefer has apparently been nominated as a result of all the duck-shoving involved with his delisting to enable us to get an extra draft pick etc. . So we can nominate another rookie now , and another one after round 11 ( I think ) . Garlett shows he has the goods , but still needs a bit more time I reckon . Would get carved up a bit if thrown in to the real thing immediately . It seems to be between Jacobs and Joseph for mine . Jacobs is the best ruckman on our list at the moment . Hammer is improving , but not there yet . Needs to learn to mark for a start . Thats one of the basics for a bloke of his size . He held 1 and dropped at least 4 last night . That will cost us close games in the proper season . Joseph has stepped up a notch from 2008 , and could be a terrific small defender or tagger . At the moment I think we need Jacobs more . Promote Joseph after round 11 . Just in time for St.kilda . Play him in the back pocket on the rapist . He'll take him apart if he plays like he did on Ablett . Haven't taken into account an LTI promotion . We seem to be being kept in the dark as far as Warnock is concerned . Herald Sun's reporting Warnock will play round 1 VFL.

Author:	klakker [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:37 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Nominated Rookies
Like to think that report's right , but how often do we believe the hun ? If it is true it cancels out any thoughts of LTI promotion from Warnocks injury . Good news if he's back by then though .

Author:	cj69 [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:41 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Can we please not promote Pfieffer
There is no need to make a decison yet. Pfieffer's pre season has been excellent and he just might be able to live up to his talent. Come the middle of the year he may be very handy. But it is good to see options.

Author:	klakker [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Can we please not promote Pfieffer
Pfiefer hasn't done anything wrong , and is training well . If we have promised him a spot it would look very bad for the MC to go back on their word . Wouldn't inspire confidence in anything they said in the future would it ? Antway , he's got plenty to offer . Shouldn't have been dropped when he was last year IMO . Certinly didnt hear anyone complaining about the amazing goal he kicked against the Shockers ! !