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| Author: | Crazy Joe [ Mon May 23, 2005 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Why we are not performing to expectations |
This is not another post paying out on this player or that player. Hopefully this is a logically assessment of why I don't think we have performed to expectations so far this season. Our list just has not improved enough. I've broken the list down into three categories: 1) Players who have taken a step forward in their career since last year. 2) Players who are down on form this year or who have taken a step backwards. 3) Players who are injured or who have not had a chance. I'm not saying I would pick Wiggins over Lappin in my team but I think everyone will agree that Lappin is not playing as well this year as last (high standards I know) and I believe Wiggins is at least as crap as he was last year. He certainly isn't any worse. For the team to improve you would expect to have at least 20 players in the first category. I can find only 13 and this is being generous. Likewise you wouldn't want to have more than 5 or 6 players taking a step back. Step forward or the same ********************* Camporeale Carrazzo French Houlihan Johnson Koutoufides Simpson Stevens Teague Waite Walker Wiggins Step back ******** Bannister Bowyer Davies Deluca Fevola Lappin McGrath Morrell Norman Prendergast Scotland Sporn Whitnall Haven't had a chance or injured or first year player ****************************************** Betts Bentick Blackwell Bryan Chambers Clarke Fisher Hartlett Livingston Longmuir Raso Russell Thornton I think this simple excercise proves we are in a fair bit of trouble. Prendergast, Scotland, Bannister, Sporn, McGrath and Davies are the reason we are performing below expectations. These are the players who should be allowing Kouta, Stevens and Camporeale to rest once in a while through the mid-field. The immediate solution to this problem is to throw Simpson, Carrazzo and Houlihan more mid-field time. Johnson, despite all his faults should also be coming of the bench. He performed well three weeks in a row before having one bad game and being dropped. We must sacrifice run out of defense for getting first use of the ball. Houlihan was best on ground against Port, his only run in the mid-field. |
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| Author: | Kaptain Kouta [ Mon May 23, 2005 11:30 am ] |
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OK, excluding the Injured, I think you should have divided it into 3 groups: Step up, staying the same, and step down. I would put them as such: Stepping On Up: Carrazzo French Koutoufides Simpson Waite Walker The Song Remains the same: Camporeale Deluca Fevola Houlihan Johnson Stevens Teague Wiggins Lappin McGrath Prendergast Whitnall Going Dooooowwwwwn: Bannister Bowyer Davies Morrell Norman Scotland Sporn Having divided the able bodied into those 3 groups, it becomes fairly obvious why we're going nowhere fast. We've got too few making the next step forward, and the ones who are, have way too much responsibility to handle for their body size or experience (ie: Carrots). The ones staying at the same level worry me the most. Not only are there so many, but a lot of those in that category are players who we've come to rely on through our lean years (Houlihan, Stevens, Teague, Lappin), and haven't stepped up and shouldered the responsibility we expect them to. I'm not blaming them specifically for this, as we don't know the exact reasons why their performance is stagnating. Could be subtle injuries, or it could be that the toll of being asked so much over those years is starting to show. The only one I am very critical of in this group is Scott "La Bomba" Camporeale. He should do better. He should know better. He's supposed to be a leader. I've left Fev in the "about the same" group because his performance isn't based purely on his own skills and efforts. As we've said through this season, the delivery to him has been shithouse. Counterbalancing that, I think his second efforts and pressure in the F50 hasn't been too bad. Not brilliant, but he's sure been worse over the years. Can you blame him for getting frustrated sometimes? The "going down" group are skating on thin ice. I can see all of those leaving us at the end of the year if something dramatic doesn't happen to their skills, fitness and attitude. |
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Mon May 23, 2005 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Only a handful improved on last year |
Kouta waite thorton french simpson carrazzo - improved on last year Stevens camporeale wiggins bentick walker houlihan whitnall (albeit wasnt great last year) mcgrath - the same Teague Sporn Bowyer clarke fev lappin de luca bannister johnson morrell scotland prenda norman davies -all a lot worse Too injured to tell longmuir chambers livingston fisher Shows why we are currently where we are because 14 of senior list who bar clarke have all played senior footy are worse than last year.This is particularly the case with recycled players who were recruited to fill gaps and havent largely been able to recapture earlier form. |
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| Author: | Kaptain Kouta [ Mon May 23, 2005 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Only a handful improved on last year |
frank dardew wrote: Kouta waite thorton french simpson carrazzo - improved on last year
Stevens camporeale wiggins bentick walker houlihan whitnall (albeit wasnt great last year) mcgrath - the same Teague Sporn Bowyer clarke fev lappin de luca bannister johnson morrell scotland prenda norman davies -all a lot worse Too injured to tell longmuir chambers livingston fisher Shows why we are currently where we are because 14 of senior list who bar clarke have all played senior footy are worse than last year.This is particularly the case with recycled players who were recruited to fill gaps and havent largely been able to recapture earlier form. So in other words, we seem to agree on the whys, if not the exact personnel. |
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| Author: | jbee [ Mon May 23, 2005 1:08 pm ] |
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Crazy Joe, "This is not another post paying out on this player or that player" "I believe Wiggins is as crap as he was last year" I'd be quite interested in what your description of paying out on a player is? |
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| Author: | thegezman [ Mon May 23, 2005 1:19 pm ] |
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i think he meant isn't as crap as last year. |
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| Author: | Crazy Joe [ Mon May 23, 2005 1:24 pm ] |
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OK, "crap" was a bad choice of word. Was just using an example (possibly a bad one) to convey what I was trying to say. For the record I am actually a fan of Wiggins. I think he is hard at the ball and committed. I also think ijs fundamental skills are improving. The point of my post is that we have to few players in the "step up" category. Jbee, you should note that Wiggins is one of the few players I have in the top category. |
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| Author: | jbee [ Mon May 23, 2005 1:28 pm ] |
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Fair enough, I like everything else in the post. |
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| Author: | molsey [ Mon May 23, 2005 1:33 pm ] |
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Its a great point and one that was made in a few posts a couple of weeks ago - too many guys treading water or going backwards. Looks like the whole competition has improved but some of our guys haven't. Whilst sometimes this happens to young players, I think the fallback in Scotland, Sporn and DeLuca is hurting us most. We need Scotland up for midfield delivery, Sporn for a defensive role but also good delivery, and DeLuca for that forward mismatch. WE desperately need these 3 to fire. |
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| Author: | 4thchicken [ Mon May 23, 2005 3:15 pm ] |
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I'd argue stevens has gone backwards |
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| Author: | Elwood Blues1 [ Mon May 23, 2005 4:37 pm ] |
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Stevens has gone backwards because the players he has around him are not what he had at Port and we are expecting him to be a in and under as well as a prime ball carrier....he cant afford to be hanging out wide on the weak side looking for the easy kick like he did at Port...and whats he got to kick too..not like we have Warren Tredrae forward. We have seen him trying to do too much and being caught because he has nothing to kick to...ditto for the maligned Andrew Walker. Poor AW gets the footy goes for a run and then looks up and find no leads on offer and ends up getting stripped of the ball as well...great for the confidence....the crap players just bomb it..the more intelligent ones like Stevens, Walker, Lappin etc look to create....and then get pinged for doing to much when they run out room....give Stevens a break and get him some decent support... |
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| Author: | molsey [ Mon May 23, 2005 4:46 pm ] |
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Another point is that your expectations are too high. Drop them and be happy! |
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| Author: | BlueMark [ Mon May 23, 2005 4:52 pm ] |
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As an old social worker friend reffering to clients says 'If you do not at first succeed then lower your expectations' |
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| Author: | Crazy Joe [ Mon May 23, 2005 5:30 pm ] |
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Well, my expectations were 8-10 wins. Young players build on the solid foundation of last year. Fringe mid-field players step in and contribute. 1 or 2 younger players emerge as real stars. Right now I can't see us getting anywhere near 8 wins. As I detailed in my original post too many have gone backwards. True, Waite and Simpson are emerging, but again this was an expectation for me. The only surprising positive for me this year is the drafting and subsequent performances of Eddie Betts. The small Aboriginal goal sneak type is hardly the cornerstone of premiership teams but a good effort by the recruiting team to pick him up when he wasn't orignally drafted. The pleasure I have got at Carlton games this year has come from steam rolling Essendon*, watching Kouta and marvelling at how an underperforming ruckman has somehow turned his game around at age 28. |
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