When I heard about the Ampol deal, my first thought was wouldn't Hyundai be shirty given their own EV focus, but it doesn't appear to be an issue.

_________________
Donald Trump is a @#$%&! paedophile.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/comp ... 5dkg4.html

Shouldn't be a problem

_________________
T E A M

Ampol are heavily committed to alternative "greener" fuels.

Welcome aboard Ampol.

I just want their money going to Carlton. Doesn't mean I will be buying Ampol fuel, just like I haven't bought a Hyundai (but am seriously considering their latest) for my son.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

I'm not really into cars but the Ioniq 6 is a seriously nice bit of vehicle.

_________________
"Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen."

Mort Sahl

I’d like a member discount on EV charging with Ampol’s AmpCharge network please.

I'd like a member discount on BV charging while they're at it

Sent from my Nokia G21 using Tapatalk

_________________
#DonTheStash

TBV?

_________________
#DonTheStash

TBV or not TBV. That is the question.

_________________
"Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen."

Mort Sahl

i haven’t spoken about this until now. i watched their logo appear and disappear and now reappear on the media board behind players doing pressers at training.

i was involved in thé campaign to get woodside removed from Freo jumper and sponsorship. i asked questions about it for years in the climate movement until a former Premier and two other freo members went public about it. but a lot of work was done prior to that talking to players etc, some of whom were not the least bit impressed with the deal.

i know exactly why this kind of deal happens. from Ampol’s perspective they like every other FF are struggling to recruit young people into their company. Young people sensibly want nothing to do with FF companies for ethical reasons and also because it’s gonna be a huge stench on there CV in a decade. like Kim Hughes doing south africa tour kind of stench but worse because most people don’t retire at 35.

Ampol are simply greenwashing the shit out of their brand using a flag hopeful with one of the best young lists in the AFL.

it speaks very very poorly of the Carlton Board that this went through. this kind of deal happens at the Board level. it must be approved and egos, ethical objections and trial management objections would have been carefully mitigated by one or more of the board members.

sayer was involved in the insider trading of Federal Govt at PwC, there’s no way he wasn’t involved and aware in my opinion and even if he was deliberately protected from explicit knowledge of it (as does sometimes happen under lawyers instructions) he was a senior exec for years there and in charge of the corporation while it happened so it’s on his watch. i know even non-executive staff at PWC and they know plenty of dirty little secrets and how fake all the good governance image making and ESG stuff is. it’s for the shareholders and brand projection. it’s not real. so if be looking at Sayers if i was on the board going WTAF were you thinking, mate.

it’s not like the club is broke. bad decision and this risks being an albatros on 2024 to my mind.

the question for the Blues faithful is what are we prepared to do about it? will we rock the boat to put the freshly laid Ampol greenwash turd overboard or not?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

i’ve spent over a decade in the climate movement and model energy grids. you are so wrong on all counts. ignorance is bliss as they say.

please cite your sources and evidence for the “most RE is owned by FF companies” and i’ll wipe the floor with you.

the big three gentailers in Australia have gone out of their way to oppose RE. so have their toadies in the regulatory system (AEMC, AER, ESB) and the legislature (Libs, Nats who rep FF not farmers , Labor at times and 100% wrt FF exports).


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Username to sentiment irony ratio off the charts.



(Yes, I know.....)

_________________
"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Well…

_________________
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

haha. didn’t even see that coming. bam bam


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

i have a friend whose a blues man and has ben in hydrogen research and startups since the late 80s. i don’t need to google Ampol and battery charging or Ampol and H₂ to know what they are up to and why they are doing it.

the EV charging stuff is <0.001% of their business. sorry but that’s the reality and it will remain the reality for a decade that it’s less than 1% of their gross income. most EV charging will be done at home or place of business or place of stopping (malls etc) in that order. and there’s almost no bucks in it cf fossil fuel distribution and retail for that reason and some other laws of physics reasons.

the Ampol EV strategy is fine, i wouldn’t even say welcome bc this industry, oil and gas has collectively spent over a billion dollars on misinformation and propoganda campaigns. it’s deliberately funded the climate denial industry for 30+ years. so no points from me doing some EV charging.

it’s nothing more greenwashing of their brand (just got a make over to BTW) how ever earnest and sincere their EV charging team may be. that’s just a fact.

as for H₂, it’s not going to have any role in passenger vehicle transportation industry. the economics are screwed, again by laws of physics limitations on the H₂ fuel cycle. it will have important niche roles in industry, as a reductant in iron ore → iron metal processing (see the recent launch of Superpower Institute and NPC speech by Ross Garnaut and Rod Sims for a gentle, nontechnical introduction). but even those roles may be displaced in time with other more direct ways to produce heat and reduce elements from their oxidation compounds found in ore bodies (Direct reduction in a process like electrolysis in the case of iron, aluminium and silicon etc)

but believe me, the Blues are lending our good name to greenwash a player in an industry that no kids wanna work in when they grow up. that no graduate engineers and other graduates want to work in any more. even the obscene salaries and money to be made is not convincing the kids, they voting with their feet in growing numbers and this is what this is all about. Greenwash (and teenwash) from start to finish. i know because this is my special subject. and i know a lot of people who could run a scathing campaign on it. a campaign that would be easily distracting enough to slam the window shut for a few years.

that’s the last thing i want to see. i want to see leadership on this issue from they club leaders.

it’s worse than running anti-gambling ads by Vossy* and big H* and then taking Sportsbet or an online casino as a sponsor to my mind. there will come a day when AFL matches will be cancelled and/or rescheduled due to extreme heat or cyclonic winds and hail. at the senior AFL level not just remote regional club level. and that’s the least concerning aspect of climate emergency i can think of.

yet we happily take money from an industry that spent large on the climate denial industry for decades. as in Billions just through Homeland Institute and the Koch brothers alone. not to mention the way they undermined democracy at every point they could from citizens united SC appeal to congressmen and women and APH representatives being their paid representatives in all political parties except the Greens. it’s disgusting.

i appreciate many on this forum won’t understand this point of view given you working lives and conservative political allégeances which require tribal allégeance to climate denial or at least allégeance to “incremental progress is enough” and “green growth” of attitudes. well all i can say is watch this space bc the major of people have moved on from that hogwash. .


* which i love btw and was both surprised and impressed with, even though AFL revenue streams from from gambling industry advertising (and there’s so much of it!) pays there salaries)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just getting my popcorn and awaiting Syd’s arrival…

_________________
"Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen."

Mort Sahl

Whatever you do, don't tell diesel about http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24131

What was your opinion of having Hyundai as a major sponsor?

Beat me to it

not a fan but it doesn’t cross the unethical line as far as i’m concerned. would love it if they weren’t because they’ve been one of the “slow adopters” of transition to BEV that we’ve know for a decade is unavoidable.

Japanese and Korean car makers/marquees have studiously favoured the impossible hydrogen car as a way of maintaining IcE cars while pretending to have a transition strategy. i really worry for the 100 million workers in and associated with the Japanese car industry (i think it’s 100 million. i looked it up a year ago to post on a blog post by economist Bill Mitchell about the japanese govt by up of all ten year bonds — the crafting famous window maker trade).

for those who think H₂ EVs are a thing of the future…. think again. here’s a humorous take from someone who can tell you all the reasons it makes for terrible economics and as a commercial proposition.

https://cleantechnica-com.cdn.ampprojec ... ation/amp/


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk