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Author:  number 10 is cursed [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Captains at Draft pick No?
Just wondering if Chris Newman is the lowest draft pick to become captain of an AFL club? I think he was drafted at 55 in 2000 but stand to be corrected on that too.

A topic for someone with a bit of time to put some research into.
Author:  CK95 [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:15 pm ]
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Chris Grant & James Hird?
Author:  Melvey [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Captains at Draft pick No?
number 10 is cursed wrote:
Just wondering if Chris Newman is the lowest draft pick to become captain of an AFL club? I think he was drafted at 55 in 2000 but stand to be corrected on that too.

A topic for someone with a bit of time to put some research into.


I think Brett Kirk came off the Rookie list but not to sure of it
Author:  Jarusa [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:18 pm ]
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Chris Grant by a mile.
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:27 pm ]
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James Hird's position on the list should have an asterisk next to it.

*Alleged Draft tampering.
Author:  AGRO [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:28 pm ]
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
James Hird's position on the list should have an asterisk next to it.

*Alleged Draft tampering.



Nothing alleged about it. :roll:
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:36 pm ]
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AGRO wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
James Hird's position on the list should have an asterisk next to it.

*Alleged Draft tampering.



Nothing alleged about it. :roll:


True, but .......

Ahh, stuff it.



Hird, J. Ainslie. ND 1990. 79*



*Draft tampering.
Author:  true_blue3 [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:19 pm ]
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hey i never heard anything about james hird's pick being tampered but it doesn't surprise me. can someone fill me in??
Author:  Jarusa [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:40 pm ]
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true_blue3 wrote:
hey i never heard anything about james hird's pick being tampered but it doesn't surprise me. can someone fill me in??


It was run of the mill stuff back then, the only thing that made it stand out was that on this occasion it actually worked and produced a player with a very good haircut.
Author:  Kouta [ Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Captains at Draft pick No?
number 10 is cursed wrote:
Just wondering if Chris Newman is the lowest draft pick to become captain of an AFL club? I think he was drafted at 55 in 2000 but stand to be corrected on that too.

A topic for someone with a bit of time to put some research into.

Dean Kemp was an additional selection in the 1989 draft.

116 players were drafted before WCE picked Kemp and two or three players as additional picks. :shock:

That's what you call draft tampering...
Author:  true_blue3 [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:08 am ]
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Jarusa wrote:
true_blue3 wrote:
hey i never heard anything about james hird's pick being tampered but it doesn't surprise me. can someone fill me in??


It was run of the mill stuff back then, the only thing that made it stand out was that on this occasion it actually worked and produced a player with a very good haircut.


soo what did they do?
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:25 am ]
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The way I understand it, Hird (and his family), made it an open secret that he wouldn't play for any club but Essendon*, and if drafted to any other club, wouldn't play.

Draft. Tampering.
Author:  Wojee [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:58 am ]
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
The way I understand it, Hird (and his family), made it an open secret that he wouldn't play for any club but Essendon*, and if drafted to any other club, wouldn't play.

Draft. Tampering.


Didn't Essendon* send him off to play junior footy in Canberra or somewhere so he wasn't as exposed to recruitment staff from other clubs?
Author:  Heavs [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:21 pm ]
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Wojee wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
The way I understand it, Hird (and his family), made it an open secret that he wouldn't play for any club but Essendon*, and if drafted to any other club, wouldn't play.

Draft. Tampering.


Didn't Essendon* send him off to play junior footy in Canberra or somewhere so he wasn't as exposed to recruitment staff from other clubs?


For 5 years? He was playing with Ainslie in U12 because he was in the same team as Nafan Buckley.
Author:  Wojee [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:49 pm ]
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Heavs wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
The way I understand it, Hird (and his family), made it an open secret that he wouldn't play for any club but Essendon*, and if drafted to any other club, wouldn't play.

Draft. Tampering.


Didn't Essendon* send him off to play junior footy in Canberra or somewhere so he wasn't as exposed to recruitment staff from other clubs?


For 5 years? He was playing with Ainslie in U12 because he was in the same team as Nafan Buckley.


I don't know the details exactly but when he was drafted I read a couple of times that the Bombers had "hidden him away in the ACT".
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:53 pm ]
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Wojee wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
The way I understand it, Hird (and his family), made it an open secret that he wouldn't play for any club but Essendon*, and if drafted to any other club, wouldn't play.

Draft. Tampering.


Didn't Essendon* send him off to play junior footy in Canberra or somewhere so he wasn't as exposed to recruitment staff from other clubs?


For 5 years? He was playing with Ainslie in U12 because he was in the same team as Nafan Buckley.


I don't know the details exactly but when he was drafted I read a couple of times that the Bombers had "hidden him away in the ACT".


I think the use of that phrase is merely Essendon* spin covering the egregious draft tampering. After all, what else could they say?
Author:  Warby [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:22 pm ]
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James Hird was never ever going to play with anyone else but Essendon*; and everyone knew it.

James' Father played a few games for them.....while HIS Father; ex player Allan Hird, was legendary President of Essendon* for many many years.....

..so successful was he in fact; that the main grandstand at Windy Hill is named "THE ALLAN T. HIRD STAND" in his Honour.

So....the HIRD name is held with deep reverence at Essendon*.
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:26 pm ]
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That's all well and good, but the draft is there for a reason, and the Father/Son rule, is a bending of that in deference to family tradition.

I'm all for family tradition, but what the Hirds did bent the rules way beyond normal.
Author:  Megaman [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:52 pm ]
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
I'm all for family tradition, but what the Hirds did bent the rules way beyond normal.


Agree.
Dirty filthy cheating scum. Draft tampering and salary cap rorting, what next?
Author:  Warby [ Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:03 pm ]
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
That's all well and good, but the draft is there for a reason, and the Father/Son rule, is a bending of that in deference to family tradition.

I'm all for family tradition, but what the Hirds did bent the rules way beyond normal.


I'm not defending anyone....and couldn't care less what Essendon* did or didn't do....

....I'm just stating facts for those young posters who have asked in this thread what happened ....

....Pick #79 in 1990 says it all.

P.S. What a pox draft it was too! with Steven Hooper at Pick One; and James Cook at #2.

Only Matt Clape at #9 to the Eagles; and perhaps Nick Daffy at #49 and Jason McCartney at #4 went on

to have any impact.....apart from Hird.
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