still a very inexperienced and young team

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Carrazzo bentick walker simpson betts all very inexperienced and walker the most experienced with 20 games - all very young and all great capacity to improve
De luca about 30 games - waite not many more - bannister less games than deluca and younger than de luca
Thorton and wiggins whilst quite experienced in games played are still very young
Still waiting on the young rising stars of a couple of years ago fisher and sporn to come back into the side
The performances the last 2 weeks have been lamentable but there are additional reasons for this and whilst we need more talent our capacity to improve for over half of the team playing on saturday is immense.Stick with them !

verbs · **Posted:** Thu May 19, 2005 11:14 pm

I was just analysing the figures myself Frank.

We have a very inexperienced squad. Teams which have won premierships of late have had many more 100+ game players on their list than we do. Check out the Lion's current list, and take into account those who have recently retired, and it's like David & Goliath.

Port more than double us in this regard.

camel · **Posted:** Thu May 19, 2005 11:16 pm

Let's not forget our first game at Optus last year when we towelled up the Cats by 50-odd points. Since that game they've only lost a handful of games. For a long while they were labelled as a bunch of duds. That said I do think they have more talent than us across the board. Nevermind this, Frank's post, as always, is one to keep at the forefront of our minds as the club continues to rebuild.

4thchicken · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 3136

agree

lucablue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:23 pm **Posts:** 902

Good observation Frank, agree with your post, except add that perhaps Sporn has gone backwards this year despite plenty of game time. Having said that though, he is still young & with our list, he should definately be persevered with.

steve · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 1:12 am

camelboy wrote:

Let's not forget our first game at Optus last year when we towelled up the Cats by 50-odd points. Since that game they've only lost a handful of games. For a long while they were labelled as a bunch of duds. That said I do think they have more talent than us across the board. Nevermind this, Frank's post, as always, is one to keep at the forefront of our minds as the club continues to rebuild.

IIRC quite a lot of injuries for the cats that day?

fevolaaaa · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 1:23 am

steve wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Let's not forget our first game at Optus last year when we towelled up the Cats by 50-odd points. Since that game they've only lost a handful of games. For a long while they were labelled as a bunch of duds. That said I do think they have more talent than us across the board. Nevermind this, Frank's post, as always, is one to keep at the forefront of our minds as the club continues to rebuild.

IIRC quite a lot of injuries for the cats that day?

Not dissimilar to us this year hey!

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

We killed them but Geelong had about half their side out that day so not much can be read into it...

Cyclonus · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 4:25 am

Time to give it up re: Sporn.

I was a massive fan, but I can now see it's misplaced enthusiasm.

camel · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 8:26 am

Blues2005 wrote:

We killed them but Geelong had about half their side out that day so not much can be read into it...

True, and they too had a young team that day, I don't think they had one 100 game player take the field. Which, in some ways, just goes to illustrate frank's point further.

stretford blue · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 8:36 am

Frank, you are definitely a glass half full type of guy, well done. Now I'm off to make my glass half empty..........

Macfart · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 10:37 am

I agree there is talent on our list but not much A grade talent

we still need more and that is why it is so important for us to play the kids and obtain a priority pick

old55 · **Joined:** Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:19 pm **Posts:** 301

15 approx 100+ gamers in the MFC selected side.
All the first 22 selections are there.

7 with less than 50 (some with a lot less):
Bell, Ferguson, Moloney, Davey, Sylvia, McLean, Jamar
Two of our best <50 out: Miller and Rivers.

Nothing much in between inexperience and experienced.
Need DEmon leaders to stand up

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 11:01 am

frank dardew wrote:

Carrazzo bentick walker simpson betts all very inexperienced and walker the most experienced with 20 games - all very young and all great capacity to improve
De luca about 30 games - waite not many more - bannister less games than deluca and younger than de luca
Thorton and wiggins whilst quite experienced in games played are still very young
Still waiting on the young rising stars of a couple of years ago fisher and sporn to come back into the side
The performances the last 2 weeks have been lamentable but there are additional reasons for this and whilst we need more talent our capacity to improve for over half of the team playing on saturday is immense.Stick with them !

spot on brother - this is something that more than baffles me as well.

We have the youngest list in the AFL by a country mile, yet, unlike every other young team that has ever played the game, we arent allowed to make mistakes.

It took St.Kilda several years to finally play some decent footy, took the Bulldogs even longer, all the while they had the excuse that they where a young side and still learning the game.

But i shouldnt be surprised that this same luxury isnt allowed to be used for us :roll:

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

Didnt take Reiwoldt, Ball, Dal Santo, Kosi, Hayes several years to play some decent footy...while I agree with Frank the list is young and you need to be patient..how long do you wait? Players like Sporn, Wiggo and Livo are in season five....

old55 · **Joined:** Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:19 pm **Posts:** 301

"We have the youngest list in the AFL by a country mile,"

Hate to rain on your parade but ...

http://www.allthestats.com/stat/teamlists.php

Sorted by Average Age:

# Team Players Avg Ht Avt Wt Avg Age Avg BMI Avg Games
1 Port Adelaide 40 186.72 85.72 24.74 24.59 73.88
2 Sydney 39 185.79 83.05 24.47 24.06 79.15
3 Adelaide 40 188.38 86.05 24.38 24.25 71.60
4 Brisbane Lions 38 188.18 85.74 24.10 24.21 83.08
5 Melbourne 39 187.72 86.26 23.99 24.48 67.59
6 St Kilda 38 186.30 83.57 23.96 24.08 72.55
7 Kangaroos 39 186.85 85.41 23.79 24.46 67.31
8 Fremantle 39 185.44 83.46 23.72 24.27 64.00
9 Collingwood 41 186.73 85.90 23.68 24.64 77.27
10 Essendon* 39 187.05 84.46 23.58 24.14 63.64
11 Western Bulldogs 40 188.48 84.23 23.58 23.71 67.68
12 Richmond 38 187.61 83.68 23.56 23.78 67.11
13 Hawthorn 40 186.28 83.92 23.53 24.18 60.60
14 Carlton 38 187.16 84.08 23.52 24.00 54.97
15 West Coast Eagles 38 187.14 86.14 23.49 24.60 61.24
16 Geelong 41 188.28 87.73 23.35 24.75 55.39

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4623

Frank....could you circulate this to all registered AFL journos and commnetators?

I keep hearing about HAwthorn and Geelong being such a young side..OFTEN WHEN WE PLAY THEM

BTW thanks ol55....your stats prove the title of this thread as a correct assertion... :wink:

No rain, no parade

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 12:28 pm

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

Didnt take Reiwoldt, Ball, Dal Santo, Kosi, Hayes several years to play some decent footy...while I agree with Frank the list is young and you need to be patient..how long do you wait? Players like Sporn, Wiggo and Livo are in season five....

Give all of those st.kilda players the injuries that sporn on livo have had and there would be no way they would be held in the same regards as they are now. Kosi as had a few, but you would hardly say he sets the world alight either like the others.

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 12:30 pm

old55 wrote:

"We have the youngest list in the AFL by a country mile,"

Hate to rain on your parade but ...

http://www.allthestats.com/stat/teamlists.php

Sorted by Average Age:

# Team Players Avg Ht Avt Wt Avg Age Avg BMI Avg Games
1 Port Adelaide 40 186.72 85.72 24.74 24.59 73.88
2 Sydney 39 185.79 83.05 24.47 24.06 79.15
3 Adelaide 40 188.38 86.05 24.38 24.25 71.60
4 Brisbane Lions 38 188.18 85.74 24.10 24.21 83.08
5 Melbourne 39 187.72 86.26 23.99 24.48 67.59
6 St Kilda 38 186.30 83.57 23.96 24.08 72.55
7 Kangaroos 39 186.85 85.41 23.79 24.46 67.31
8 Fremantle 39 185.44 83.46 23.72 24.27 64.00
9 Collingwood 41 186.73 85.90 23.68 24.64 77.27
10 Essendon* 39 187.05 84.46 23.58 24.14 63.64
11 Western Bulldogs 40 188.48 84.23 23.58 23.71 67.68
12 Richmond 38 187.61 83.68 23.56 23.78 67.11
13 Hawthorn 40 186.28 83.92 23.53 24.18 60.60
14 Carlton 38 187.16 84.08 23.52 24.00 54.97
15 West Coast Eagles 38 187.14 86.14 23.49 24.60 61.24
16 Geelong 41 188.28 87.73 23.35 24.75 55.39

just a question for that? with the number of players does that refer to those that are yet to play their first game?

If so throwing in the likes of Russel, Blackwell and Raso and our average age would drop considerably.

Because in all honesty i find it hard to believe that Port Adelaide are only 1.22 years on average older than us.

verbs · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2005 12:45 pm

old55 wrote:

"We have the youngest list in the AFL by a country mile,"

Hate to rain on your parade but ...

http://www.allthestats.com/stat/teamlists.php

Sorted by Average Age:

# Team Players Avg Ht Avt Wt Avg Age Avg BMI Avg Games
1 Port Adelaide 40 186.72 85.72 24.74 24.59 73.88
2 Sydney 39 185.79 83.05 24.47 24.06 79.15
3 Adelaide 40 188.38 86.05 24.38 24.25 71.60
4 Brisbane Lions 38 188.18 85.74 24.10 24.21 83.08
5 Melbourne 39 187.72 86.26 23.99 24.48 67.59
6 St Kilda 38 186.30 83.57 23.96 24.08 72.55
7 Kangaroos 39 186.85 85.41 23.79 24.46 67.31
8 Fremantle 39 185.44 83.46 23.72 24.27 64.00
9 Collingwood 41 186.73 85.90 23.68 24.64 77.27
10 Essendon* 39 187.05 84.46 23.58 24.14 63.64
11 Western Bulldogs 40 188.48 84.23 23.58 23.71 67.68
12 Richmond 38 187.61 83.68 23.56 23.78 67.11
13 Hawthorn 40 186.28 83.92 23.53 24.18 60.60
14 Carlton 38 187.16 84.08 23.52 24.00 54.97
15 West Coast Eagles 38 187.14 86.14 23.49 24.60 61.24
16 Geelong 41 188.28 87.73 23.35 24.75 55.39

Interesting:

As at 24 March 2005 averages ages of all players (including rookies) was --

Geelong 22years 325 days
WCE 22 years 296 days
Carlton 22 years 282 days

I think the other figures musn't include players on the rookie's list.

still a very inexperienced and young team

Who is online