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That's true 16 flags. Gibbs looks like he's set to go off the charts next year too.

Yup, Ablett Jnr Molly. He got off to a very slow start.

One thing I'd like to see both Murphy and Gibbs do is be kicking 20+ goals a year.

Murphy is on the verge of stepping into the top level of midfielders and Gibbs is not far away. :-D

verbs wrote:

Thanks for the table verbs. Very interesting. I'm with you. It's gopals these 2 can get and that comer from opportunity (see table). We will be a very different and difficult opponent if Judd, Murphs and Gibbs can snag a couple goals each a week. Fingers crossed. Looks possible.

Can we possibly add Bartel to that graph as well???...I think he had a much slower start from memory than the others but I could be wrong????

Gibbs played his first 16 games under Pagan.
The change to Ratten coincides with the upturn.

No graph is complete without a recession!

ACHILLES wrote:

Can we possibly add Bartel to that graph as well???...I think he had a much slower start from memory than the others but I could be wrong????

Whatever you do, don't add Bradd Dalziell.

32 - 18 - 34 - 17- 27- 32- 25 :shock:

Unfortunately stats recording only started being published in the 80s and www.stats.rleague.com have a comprehensive list of all players stats going back to 1986.

Since then, the top ten is roughly as follows:

26.84 Terry Wallace
26.55 Greg Williams
26.43 Bradd Dalziell
26.40 Gerard Healy
25.68 Mark Bairstow
25.38 Scott West
25.21 Robert Harvey
24.73 John Annear
24.73 Nathan Buckley
24.66 Tony Shaw

Made a few more tweaks. Bit of a memory tester. Can't recall Simon Atkins' move from Footscray to Fitzroy at all, which when combined dropped him out of the top ten and bumped Peter Bell into it.

Author:	verbs [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:27 pm ]
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Whilst not a precise determination of ability, possessions are still an important indication of a player's ability to do a lot of things right. The table below compares Murphy, Gibbs, G Ablett, Hird and Judd from game 1 to the number of games Murphy has played (less for Gibss):

Author:	Molly [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:40 pm ]
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I gather you are referring to G Ablett Jnr Verbs? Just want to check... I am surprised if it is Jnr that his stats tapered over those games. Interesting table though... I am also loving the upturn in the Gibbs graph. The kid is going to be a fair dinkum star!

Author:	16 flags [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:56 pm ]
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Gibbs played his first 16 games under Pagan. The change to Ratten coincides with the upturn.

Author:	verbs [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:36 pm ]
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That's true 16 flags. Gibbs looks like he's set to go off the charts next year too. Yup, Ablett Jnr Molly. He got off to a very slow start. One thing I'd like to see both Murphy and Gibbs do is be kicking 20+ goals a year. Murphy is on the verge of stepping into the top level of midfielders and Gibbs is not far away.

Author:	Andain [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:41 pm ]
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verbs wrote: That's true 16 flags. Gibbs looks like he's set to go off the charts next year too. Yup, Ablett Jnr Molly. He got off to a very slow start. One thing I'd like to see both Murphy and Gibbs do is be kicking 20+ goals a year. Murphy is on the verge of stepping into the top level of midfielders and Gibbs is not far away. It's his inability to kick goals that stops Murphy from being elite. Once he starts kicking those easy goals he'll be a star.

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Author:	bondiblue [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:27 pm ]
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verbs wrote: That's true 16 flags. Gibbs looks like he's set to go off the charts next year too. Yup, Ablett Jnr Molly. He got off to a very slow start. One thing I'd like to see both Murphy and Gibbs do is be kicking 20+ goals a year. Murphy is on the verge of stepping into the top level of midfielders and Gibbs is not far away. Thanks for the table verbs. Very interesting. I'm with you. It's gopals these 2 can get and that comer from opportunity (see table). We will be a very different and difficult opponent if Judd, Murphs and Gibbs can snag a couple goals each a week. Fingers crossed. Looks possible.

Author:	ACHILLES [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:07 pm ]
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bondiblue wrote: verbs wrote: That's true 16 flags. Gibbs looks like he's set to go off the charts next year too. Yup, Ablett Jnr Molly. He got off to a very slow start. One thing I'd like to see both Murphy and Gibbs do is be kicking 20+ goals a year. Murphy is on the verge of stepping into the top level of midfielders and Gibbs is not far away. Thanks for the table verbs. Very interesting. I'm with you. It's gopals these 2 can get and that comer from opportunity (see table). We will be a very different and difficult opponent if Judd, Murphs and Gibbs can snag a couple goals each a week. Fingers crossed. Looks possible. Thanks for the graph! I agree re: Goals Murph misses the easy ones and gets the hards ones. As soon as he starts nailing the easy ones he will no doubt be elite"." Can we possibly add Bartel to that graph as well???...I think he had a much slower start from memory than the others but I could be wrong????

Author:	bluedog [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:27 pm ]
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ACHILLES wrote: Can we possibly add Bartel to that graph as well???...I think he had a much slower start from memory than the others but I could be wrong???? Whatever you do, don't add Bradd Dalziell. 32 - 18 - 34 - 17- 27- 32- 25

Author:	In London Still [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:23 am ]
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Great analysis Verbs. Thanks. Here is a challenge for you and your database. Who are the top ten all time for career average possessions and what are those averages? Is Scott West up there. What about Ratten? How far off those guys is Murph right now?

Author:	Blue Vain [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:28 am ]
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No graph is complete without a recession!

Author:	billc3 [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:38 am ]
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That Ablett guy is a dud, get rid of him........

Author:	fmurphy30 [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:41 am ]
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16 flags wrote: Gibbs played his first 16 games under Pagan. The change to Ratten coincides with the upturn. In fairness to Pagan, I think that the kids that played under him will benefit for the experience. He worked hard to make Walker an accountable footballer and Gibbs had similar tuition. Its easy to allow kids to run around like headless chooks and get kicks, but Pagan made them learn. I reckon his downfall was his inflexibility as a coach, inability to adapt to modern trends and his reliance on "tried and true" methods of yesteryear, but not his player development in kids. The u18 comp is a good place for him next year.

Author:	mjonc [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:51 am ]
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Blue Vain wrote: No graph is complete without a recession! ahh but K-Rudd will just add 10possies to his tally!!

Author:	teagueyubeauty [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:41 am ]
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bluedog wrote: ACHILLES wrote: Can we possibly add Bartel to that graph as well???...I think he had a much slower start from memory than the others but I could be wrong???? Whatever you do, don't add Bradd Dalziell. 32 - 18 - 34 - 17- 27- 32- 25 Its fine to put him in but if Verbs does can we also have a graph on disposal efficiency. That should even it out i would think

Author:	verbs [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:36 pm ]
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Carlton's top ten since 1986, games played for Carlton only: 24.72 Greg Williams 24.19 Chris Judd 23.40 Craig Bradley 23.07 Heath Scotland 22.95 Nicke Stevens 22.34 Brett Ratten 21.85 Andrew Carrazzo 21.49 David Glascott 21.46 Wayne Blackwell 21.42 Michael James

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Author:	verbs [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:37 pm ]
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Unfortunately stats recording only started being published in the 80s and www.stats.rleague.com have a comprehensive list of all players stats going back to 1986. Since then, the top ten is roughly as follows: 26.84 Terry Wallace 26.55 Greg Williams 26.43 Bradd Dalziell 26.40 Gerard Healy 25.68 Mark Bairstow 25.38 Scott West 25.21 Robert Harvey 24.66 Tony Shaw 24.60 Nathan Buckley/Chris McDermott 24.11 Peter Bell 126thish 20.53 Marc Murphy

Author:	Molly [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:42 pm ]
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verbs wrote: Unfortunately stats recording only started being published in the 80s and www.stats.rleague.com have a comprehensive list of all players stats going back to 1986. Since then, the top ten is roughly as follows: 26.84 Terry Wallace 26.55 Greg Williams 26.43 Bradd Dalziell 26.40 Gerard Healy 25.68 Mark Bairstow 25.38 Scott West 25.21 Robert Harvey 24.73 John Annear 24.73 Nathan Buckley 24.66 Tony Shaw That's awesome Verbs... but John Annear

Author:	verbs [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:53 pm ]
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Doesn't sound right. Did he change clubs? I have combined anyone like Buckley and Williams to include multiple clubs but I didn't look at Annear. Seems he played for Richmond and WCE. That should drop him down a tad.

Author:	verbs [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:59 pm ]
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Made a few more tweaks. Bit of a memory tester. Can't recall Simon Atkins' move from Footscray to Fitzroy at all, which when combined dropped him out of the top ten and bumped Peter Bell into it.

Author:	Molly [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:39 pm ]
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verbs wrote: Made a few more tweaks. Bit of a memory tester. Can't recall Simon Atkins' move from Footscray to Fitzroy at all, which when combined dropped him out of the top ten and bumped Peter Bell into it. Simon Atkins went to Fitzroy at the very end of his career. My guess is that he was there for two seasons maximum. I even have a vague feeling that he was in their final ever team.