TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Marc Murphy Vs. Jimmy Bartel

Yep, he just needs to pick the right option more often and hit his targets on a more consistent basis and he'll be a superstar.

Once he gains the consistency, application and hardness of Dale Thomas he'll begin to get the recognition he deserves. :roll:

As you know, Jimmy Bartel is gonna go close to back-to-back Brownlow Medals. Might have some competition from the likes of Ablett and Harvey, but he has backed up a brilliant 07' season with a stellar 08' season.

Now.............

Let's compare a few stats with our Marc Murphy.

BARTEL
323 dissposals / 73 clearances / 85 inside50's / 19 goals

MURPHY
321 Dissposals / 75 clearances / 116 inside 50's / 14 goals

Now, i'm not saying that Murphy is gonna take out the Brownlow or anything, but the way he is developing is a credit to him, to Ratten, and the coaching staff.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=107&pid1=2002057&tid2=103&pid2=2006028

The thing that stands out for me, and I did a comparison between Bartel and Stevens as well, our guys aren't that far behind in terms of possessions, clearances etc but we're miles behind Bartel in tackles and 1%ers.

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Once he gains the consistency, application and hardness of Dale Thomas he'll begin to get the recognition he deserves. :roll:

Amazing isn't it.

TruBlueBrad wrote:

And thats the difference to winning a premiership. I think our midfield is desperately needing a Sammy Mitchell or a Bartel type player for us to take the next step.

Melvey wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

And thats the difference to winning a premiership. I think our midfield is desperately needing a Sammy Mitchell or a Bartel type player for us to take the next step.

How about we develop a Marc Murphy or Bryce Gibbs type.

Was only a few years ago that Bartel was being talked about at the trade table and everyone though Mitchell was too slow with dodgy skills.

The point being, with time, experience and mental/physical maturity there's no reason why our current midfield shouldn't become known as the Famous Five...

Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens, Grigg.

Melvey wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

And thats the difference to winning a premiership. I think our midfield is desperately needing a Sammy Mitchell or a Bartel type player for us to take the next step.

How about we develop a Marc Murphy or Bryce Gibbs type.

Melvey wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

And thats the difference to winning a premiership. I think our midfield is desperately needing a Sammy Mitchell or a Bartel type player for us to take the next step.

How about we develop a Marc Murphy or Bryce Gibbs type.

I'm a fan of Murphy's towering marks :wink:

Don't forget about Kruezer because he will become another midfielder ala cox type role in years to come.

Author:	ryan2000 [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:19 am ]
Post subject:	Marc Murphy Vs. Jimmy Bartel
As you know, Jimmy Bartel is gonna go close to back-to-back Brownlow Medals. Might have some competition from the likes of Ablett and Harvey, but he has backed up a brilliant 07' season with a stellar 08' season. Now............. Let's compare a few stats with our Marc Murphy. BARTEL 323 dissposals / 73 clearances / 85 inside50's / 19 goals MURPHY 321 Dissposals / 75 clearances / 116 inside 50's / 14 goals Now, i'm not saying that Murphy is gonna take out the Brownlow or anything, but the way he is developing is a credit to him, to Ratten, and the coaching staff.

Author:	HELLAS BLUE [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:23 am ]
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Yep, he just needs to pick the right option more often and hit his targets on a more consistent basis and he'll be a superstar.

Author:	Navy Blue Horse [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:24 am ]
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HELLAS BLUE wrote: Yep, he just needs to pick the right option more often and hit his targets on a more consistent basis and he'll be a superstar. Once he gains the consistency, application and hardness of Dale Thomas he'll begin to get the recognition he deserves.

Author:	camel [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:42 am ]
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I'm very happy with Murph's 2008, although I agree with HELLAS too.

Author:	SurreyBlue [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:46 am ]
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Navy Blue Horse wrote: Once he gains the consistency, application and hardness of Dale Thomas he'll begin to get the recognition he deserves. Amazing isn't it.

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Author:	Melvey [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:59 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Marc Murphy Vs. Jimmy Bartel
ryan2000 wrote: As you know, Jimmy Bartel is gonna go close to back-to-back Brownlow Medals. Might have some competition from the likes of Ablett and Harvey, but he has backed up a brilliant 07' season with a stellar 08' season. Now............. Let's compare a few stats with our Marc Murphy. BARTEL 323 dissposals / 73 clearances / 85 inside50's / 19 goals MURPHY 321 Dissposals / 75 clearances / 116 inside 50's / 14 goals Now, i'm not saying that Murphy is gonna take out the Brownlow or anything, but the way he is developing is a credit to him, to Ratten, and the coaching staff. he is coming along nicely. in regards to those stats how much contested ball does Murph win, how many of those possessions are effective. You could probably look up a player like Brent Stanton and he would have the same as Murph and Bartel but he is less effective

Author:	TruBlueBrad [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:03 am ]
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http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/com ... d2=2006028 The thing that stands out for me, and I did a comparison between Bartel and Stevens as well, our guys aren't that far behind in terms of possessions, clearances etc but we're miles behind Bartel in tackles and 1%ers.

Author:	Melvey [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:09 am ]
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TruBlueBrad wrote: http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=107&pid1=2002057&tid2=103&pid2=2006028 The thing that stands out for me, and I did a comparison between Bartel and Stevens as well, our guys aren't that far behind in terms of possessions, clearances etc but we're miles behind Bartel in tackles and 1%ers. And thats the difference to winning a premiership. I think our midfield is desperately needing a Sammy Mitchell or a Bartel type player for us to take the next step.

Author:	DLC [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Marc Murphy Vs. Jimmy Bartel
ryan2000 wrote: As you know, Jimmy Bartel is gonna go close to back-to-back Brownlow Medals. Might have some competition from the likes of Ablett and Harvey, but he has backed up a brilliant 07' season with a stellar 08' season. Now............. Let's compare a few stats with our Marc Murphy. BARTEL 323 dissposals / 73 clearances / 85 inside50's / 19 goals MURPHY 321 Dissposals / 75 clearances / 116 inside 50's / 14 goals Now, i'm not saying that Murphy is gonna take out the Brownlow or anything, but the way he is developing is a credit to him, to Ratten, and the coaching staff. Agree that Murph is developing well given that you're comparing the stats of a 24yr old who has played 129 games to a 21yr old who's played 56 games. I've included some other stats that add to the above. BARTEL 266 Handballs (Total Disposals 589), 121 marks (12 contested), 107 tackles, 73.54% disposal efficiency (DE). 1% 48 MURPHY 185 Handballs (Total Disposals 506), 130 marks, (1 contested) 56 tackles, 70.17% (DE). 1% 16 Overall I think Jimmy plays a more physical game. He invites the body contact and loves taking the spectacular mark backing into packs. He really thrives on the tough stuff. Given that he is a bigger unit than Murphy (187cm v 179cm & 86kgs v 75kgs) that's understandable. I guess if one thing stands out it's the difference in tackles which may suggest that Murph could work more on his defensive side of the game. Although if you compare his tackle stats to Thornton who has 16 you'd have to say Murph is a tackling machine!

Author:	koutahootarootafides [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:28 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Marc Murphy Vs. Jimmy Bartel
ryan2000 wrote: As you know, Jimmy Bartel is gonna go close to back-to-back Brownlow Medals. Might have some competition from the likes of Ablett and Harvey, but he has backed up a brilliant 07' season with a stellar 08' season. Now............. Let's compare a few stats with our Marc Murphy. BARTEL 323 dissposals / 73 clearances / 85 inside50's / 19 goals MURPHY 321 Dissposals / 75 clearances / 116 inside 50's / 14 goals Now, i'm not saying that Murphy is gonna take out the Brownlow or anything, but the way he is developing is a credit to him, to Ratten, and the coaching staff. Nice - I wouldn't mind if he could - I put $20 on him @ $151

Author:	camel [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:22 pm ]
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Melvey wrote: TruBlueBrad wrote: http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=107&pid1=2002057&tid2=103&pid2=2006028 The thing that stands out for me, and I did a comparison between Bartel and Stevens as well, our guys aren't that far behind in terms of possessions, clearances etc but we're miles behind Bartel in tackles and 1%ers. And thats the difference to winning a premiership. I think our midfield is desperately needing a Sammy Mitchell or a Bartel type player for us to take the next step. How about we develop a Marc Murphy or Bryce Gibbs type. Was only a few years ago that Bartel was being talked about at the trade table and everyone though Mitchell was too slow with dodgy skills. The point being, with time, experience and mental/physical maturity there's no reason why our current midfield shouldn't become known as the Famous Five... Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens, Grigg.

Author:	camel [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:26 pm ]
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He'll be part of the Secret Seven.

Author:	Melvey [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:43 pm ]
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camelboy wrote: Melvey wrote: TruBlueBrad wrote: http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=107&pid1=2002057&tid2=103&pid2=2006028 The thing that stands out for me, and I did a comparison between Bartel and Stevens as well, our guys aren't that far behind in terms of possessions, clearances etc but we're miles behind Bartel in tackles and 1%ers. And thats the difference to winning a premiership. I think our midfield is desperately needing a Sammy Mitchell or a Bartel type player for us to take the next step. How about we develop a Marc Murphy or Bryce Gibbs type. Was only a few years ago that Bartel was being talked about at the trade table and everyone though Mitchell was too slow with dodgy skills. The point being, with time, experience and mental/physical maturity there's no reason why our current midfield shouldn't become known as the Famous Five... Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens, Grigg. I don't doubt that and am excited by the thought. Im not saying we have to get Kerr and Kerr only. Our midfield lacks grunt and players like a Mitchell, Black, West and Kerr is what we are missing. Even a Brock Mclean who is hard at it, puts his head over it and takes the bumps and dishes them out. At the moment we play our best footy when its free flowing and loose. The kangas smashed us, the lions skipped away when they went man on man, the swans got over the line cause they made it a contest. We need a hard nut ball winner and then Juddy can really put the foot down and blow teams away.

Author:	troybond [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:06 pm ]
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camelboy wrote: Melvey wrote: TruBlueBrad wrote: http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=107&pid1=2002057&tid2=103&pid2=2006028 The thing that stands out for me, and I did a comparison between Bartel and Stevens as well, our guys aren't that far behind in terms of possessions, clearances etc but we're miles behind Bartel in tackles and 1%ers. And thats the difference to winning a premiership. I think our midfield is desperately needing a Sammy Mitchell or a Bartel type player for us to take the next step. How about we develop a Marc Murphy or Bryce Gibbs type. Was only a few years ago that Bartel was being talked about at the trade table and everyone though Mitchell was too slow with dodgy skills. The point being, with time, experience and mental/physical maturity there's no reason why our current midfield shouldn't become known as the Famous Five... Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens, Grigg. Don't forget about Kruezer because he will become another midfielder ala cox type role in years to come.

Author:	DoublebluMots2 [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:48 pm ]
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To think that the Sunday rag here in Adelaide classed him as "tradeable" cos and I quote "had huge hype as a no 1 draft pick but hasn't yet reached those lofty heights" Class journalism

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Author:	CK95 [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:15 pm ]
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I'm a fan of Murphy's towering marks

Author:	DownUnderChick [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:53 pm ]
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CK95 wrote: I'm a fan of Murphy's towering marks How good was that mark on the wing? Magnifique.

Author:	camel [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:58 pm ]
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troybond wrote: Don't forget about Kruezer because he will become another midfielder ala cox type role in years to come. I didn't forget Special K, but I also have him pencilled in as a CHF option.