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Cloke (2 FULL games as a leading CHF)

Not just about giving some players a go but trying players in different positions to see if it makes a difference.

Drop
Russell, Fisher, Wiggins, Saddington, Scotland, Stevens (have a break now and start pre season early), Jamo (needs a tidy up on shoulder).

The others the MC have seen enough to make a decision on their futures.

In over the last two games:

Austin (play him on Brown and Buddy, great experience)
Anderson and Browne (play them permantly in defence and leave them)
Betts (play on ball or even running out of BP)
Blackwell (give him a good run on ball)
Cloke (2 FULL games as a leading CHF)
Hampson/Aisake and Jacobs as ruckman (Kruezer FF, would even consider resting Fev to make sure we kick it to someone else)
Jackson (running HB)
Pfieffer/AJ (good run on ball)
Thornton (Play fwd, was a very good junior fwd)

It is amazing what you can get out of the last two games, we may unveil something special we didn't realise we had?

cj69 wrote:

Errr, Bower?

CJ, just to restate my position on this. Aussie has a lot of potential and a possible CHB in a flag team. Liked his Ants game the other day. Also thought Bower was very good for a guy who was secong game back playing in the slops, as it seemed that he played on the full back line, which really is not his go. I stand to be corrected on this, though.

BUT, in a couple of senior games this yr, Aussie has been found out (as was Bower last year) - refer Crows v Moran, the reason why he was dropped in the first place. I'm not fussed though as he's a bottom aged second year player and we have time on our hands. Plenty of time.

Bower was a revelation before injured, showing all the benefits of having a few years in the system. He could well be our CHB next year (was All Australian in this possie), so I argue strongly that he has first digs ahead of Aussie at this stage. If MC can fit both in, all the better.

BTW, based on what I saw earlier in the year, I reckon Bower is a good option for Buddy at this stage. Tex my No 1 option, though.

Andrew Carrazzo, Round 21, 2004

Aisaike.

Ackland.

Backwell.

Jarusa wrote:

Andrew Carrazzo, Round 21, 2004

Didn't he get a NRS nomination that round?

Blues Clues wrote:

cj69 wrote:

BC, I am a big fan of Bower but to get something good we have to trade something good. If McKinley (and we need his type) comes home Bower may be the right trade. He is a WA boy and what WC need.

I believe for our structure we need Austin & Setanta as our big blokes. We then need a third option which is Jamo (Waite as a back up). To me he is a bit similar to Bower and Thornton.

My concern is this year (with GC and West Sydney coming in) it will be our last chance to get some players we need and are still young.

I agree with your comments about Walker. I have always believed that with his size and mobility he would be a fantastic CHB, a better version of Campbell Brown. If we got McKinley he could stay back there.

Mind you if Bower stays I would be happy as well. I didn't want Kennedy to go either but we did pretty well out of the trade! :wink:

Author:	Jarusa [ Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:07 pm ]
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Now that finals are only mathematically possible, i.e. almost impossible is it time to have a bit of a look at the list? Silly you might say, what's the use? Some good players have had debuts very very late in the season. Ang Christou, Round 24 1991. Brett Ratten, Round 22 1990. Andrew Carrazzo, Round 21, 2004 Ern Henfry, Round 17 (2nd last round), 1944 Who do you think might either be worth a crack to see if they have got anything to offer before being delisted or else give them a taste of the big time late in the season already knowing they will be on the list in 2009?

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:11 pm ]
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Maybe now that finals are out of the question, Cain could be given a run as a lead-up HF, or FF? runs

Author:	Buzza4 [ Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:22 pm ]
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as much as I reject the premise... give aisake a run and let him go for it... what can it hurt? him vs leeunberger? i know about charman, but... some guys are built for the big time. I know this for a fact - not just a hypothetical. I live this kinda stuff...

Author:	SparkyBlue [ Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:27 pm ]
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Aisaike. Ackland. Backwell. The first was touted as part of a starting ruck duo this time last year. The last two have been playing well in the Ants, and have deserved a call up. Will any of the three be around next year? Straw poll says no - but they deserve a crack now that the seasons been iced.

Author:	mjonc [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:32 am ]
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AJ or SJ

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Author:	Deano Supremo [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:34 am ]
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AISAKE

Author:	verbs [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:22 am ]
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What are the rules for promoting rookies this late in the season? Was Carrazzo promoted prior to his debut? Both Ang and Ratts made their debuts in the last game of the year as noted...did both break their arm? Or just Angelo?

Author:	cj69 [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:27 am ]
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Not just about giving some players a go but trying players in different positions to see if it makes a difference. Drop Russell, Fisher, Wiggins, Saddington, Scotland, Stevens (have a break now and start pre season early), Jamo (needs a tidy up on shoulder). The others the MC have seen enough to make a decision on their futures. In over the last two games: Austin (play him on Brown and Buddy, great experience) Anderson and Browne (play them permantly in defence and leave them) Betts (play on ball or even running out of BP) Blackwell (give him a good run on ball) Cloke (2 FULL games as a leading CHF) Hampson/Aisake and Jacobs as ruckman (Kruezer FF, would even consider resting Fev to make sure we kick it to someone else) Jackson (running HB) Pfieffer/AJ (good run on ball) Thornton (Play fwd, was a very good junior fwd) It is amazing what you can get out of the last two games, we may unveil something special we didn't realise we had?

Author:	George Harris [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:54 am ]
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cj69 wrote: Cloke (2 FULL games as a leading CHF) Agree 100%. The guy is a great kick at goal and we desparately need another forward target to make us less Fevola-centric.

Author:	Blues Clues [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:58 am ]
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cj69 wrote: Not just about giving some players a go but trying players in different positions to see if it makes a difference. Drop Russell, Fisher, Wiggins, Saddington, Scotland, Stevens (have a break now and start pre season early), Jamo (needs a tidy up on shoulder). The others the MC have seen enough to make a decision on their futures. In over the last two games: Austin (play him on Brown and Buddy, great experience) Anderson and Browne (play them permantly in defence and leave them) Betts (play on ball or even running out of BP) Blackwell (give him a good run on ball) Cloke (2 FULL games as a leading CHF) Hampson/Aisake and Jacobs as ruckman (Kruezer FF, would even consider resting Fev to make sure we kick it to someone else) Jackson (running HB) Pfieffer/AJ (good run on ball) Thornton (Play fwd, was a very good junior fwd) It is amazing what you can get out of the last two games, we may unveil something special we didn't realise we had? Errr, Bower? CJ, just to restate my position on this. Aussie has a lot of potential and a possible CHB in a flag team. Liked his Ants game the other day. Also thought Bower was very good for a guy who was secong game back playing in the slops, as it seemed that he played on the full back line, which really is not his go. I stand to be corrected on this, though. BUT, in a couple of senior games this yr, Aussie has been found out (as was Bower last year) - refer Crows v Moran, the reason why he was dropped in the first place. I'm not fussed though as he's a bottom aged second year player and we have time on our hands. Plenty of time. Bower was a revelation before injured, showing all the benefits of having a few years in the system. He could well be our CHB next year (was All Australian in this possie), so I argue strongly that he has first digs ahead of Aussie at this stage. If MC can fit both in, all the better. BTW, based on what I saw earlier in the year, I reckon Bower is a good option for Buddy at this stage. Tex my No 1 option, though.

Author:	sinbagger [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:01 am ]
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Aisake and Jacobs, seems we've already given everyone else on the list a crack in the seniors except these two (and Benjamin) and from all reports both deserve at least two games to see what they've got, then at least if they are discarded they can at least say they had their chance.

Author:	ryan2000 [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:08 am ]
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I'd love to see Aisakie get a run........... but it just aint gonna happen. Clearly he is not liked. Which is a pitty cause the kid could be anything.

Author:	cj69 [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:24 am ]
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Blues Clues wrote: cj69 wrote: Not just about giving some players a go but trying players in different positions to see if it makes a difference. Drop Russell, Fisher, Wiggins, Saddington, Scotland, Stevens (have a break now and start pre season early), Jamo (needs a tidy up on shoulder). The others the MC have seen enough to make a decision on their futures. In over the last two games: Austin (play him on Brown and Buddy, great experience) Anderson and Browne (play them permantly in defence and leave them) Betts (play on ball or even running out of BP) Blackwell (give him a good run on ball) Cloke (2 FULL games as a leading CHF) Hampson/Aisake and Jacobs as ruckman (Kruezer FF, would even consider resting Fev to make sure we kick it to someone else) Jackson (running HB) Pfieffer/AJ (good run on ball) Thornton (Play fwd, was a very good junior fwd) It is amazing what you can get out of the last two games, we may unveil something special we didn't realise we had? Errr, Bower? CJ, just to restate my position on this. Aussie has a lot of potential and a possible CHB in a flag team. Liked his Ants game the other day. Also thought Bower was very good for a guy who was secong game back playing in the slops, as it seemed that he played on the full back line, which really is not his go. I stand to be corrected on this, though. BUT, in a couple of senior games this yr, Aussie has been found out (as was Bower last year) - refer Crows v Moran, the reason why he was dropped in the first place. I'm not fussed though as he's a bottom aged second year player and we have time on our hands. Plenty of time. Bower was a revelation before injured, showing all the benefits of having a few years in the system. He could well be our CHB next year (was All Australian in this possie), so I argue strongly that he has first digs ahead of Aussie at this stage. If MC can fit both in, all the better. BTW, based on what I saw earlier in the year, I reckon Bower is a good option for Buddy at this stage. Tex my No 1 option, though. BC, I am a big fan of Bower but to get something good we have to trade something good. If McKinley (and we need his type) comes home Bower may be the right trade. He is a WA boy and what WC need. I believe for our structure we need Austin & Setanta as our big blokes. We then need a third option which is Jamo (Waite as a back up). To me he is a bit similar to Bower and Thornton. My concern is this year (with GC and West Sydney coming in) it will be our last chance to get some players we need and are still young. I agree with your comments about Walker. I have always believed that with his size and mobility he would be a fantastic CHB, a better version of Campbell Brown. If we got McKinley he could stay back there. Mind you if Bower stays I would be happy as well. I didn't want Kennedy to go either but we did pretty well out of the trade!

Author:	darknavy [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:34 pm ]
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Jarusa wrote: Andrew Carrazzo, Round 21, 2004 Didn't he get a NRS nomination that round?

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Author:	shuffagus [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:40 pm ]
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i'd like to see -action jackson -blackwell -from what i've been hearing sj and aj

Author:	bluedog [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:26 pm ]
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SparkyBlue wrote: Aisaike. Ackland. Backwell. Is Brett still on our list? Would like to see Luke get a go though.

Author:	MoriBlue [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:57 pm ]
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cj69 wrote: Not just about giving some players a go but trying players in different positions to see if it makes a difference. Drop Russell, Fisher, Wiggins, Saddington, Scotland, Stevens (have a break now and start pre season early), Jamo (needs a tidy up on shoulder). The others the MC have seen enough to make a decision on their futures. In over the last two games: Austin (play him on Brown and Buddy, great experience) Anderson and Browne (play them permantly in defence and leave them) Betts (play on ball or even running out of BP) Blackwell (give him a good run on ball) Cloke (2 FULL games as a leading CHF) Hampson/Aisake and Jacobs as ruckman (Kruezer FF, would even consider resting Fev to make sure we kick it to someone else) Jackson (running HB) Pfieffer/AJ (good run on ball) Thornton (Play fwd, was a very good junior fwd) It is amazing what you can get out of the last two games, we may unveil something special we didn't realise we had? Done and done. Like the sound of giving blakcwell and Jackson another shot. They are both still sooo young.

Author:	TheSwan [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:27 pm ]
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I agree! You sold me on Ern Henfry!

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:02 pm ]
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darknavy wrote: Jarusa wrote: Andrew Carrazzo, Round 21, 2004 Didn't he get a NRS nomination that round? Was he eligible?

Author:	bondiblue [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:11 am ]
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cj69 wrote: Blues Clues wrote: cj69 wrote: Not just about giving some players a go but trying players in different positions to see if it makes a difference. Drop Russell, Fisher, Wiggins, Saddington, Scotland, Stevens (have a break now and start pre season early), Jamo (needs a tidy up on shoulder). The others the MC have seen enough to make a decision on their futures. In over the last two games: Austin (play him on Brown and Buddy, great experience) Anderson and Browne (play them permantly in defence and leave them) Betts (play on ball or even running out of BP) Blackwell (give him a good run on ball) Cloke (2 FULL games as a leading CHF) Hampson/Aisake and Jacobs as ruckman (Kruezer FF, would even consider resting Fev to make sure we kick it to someone else) Jackson (running HB) Pfieffer/AJ (good run on ball) Thornton (Play fwd, was a very good junior fwd) It is amazing what you can get out of the last two games, we may unveil something special we didn't realise we had? Errr, Bower? CJ, just to restate my position on this. Aussie has a lot of potential and a possible CHB in a flag team. Liked his Ants game the other day. Also thought Bower was very good for a guy who was secong game back playing in the slops, as it seemed that he played on the full back line, which really is not his go. I stand to be corrected on this, though. BUT, in a couple of senior games this yr, Aussie has been found out (as was Bower last year) - refer Crows v Moran, the reason why he was dropped in the first place. I'm not fussed though as he's a bottom aged second year player and we have time on our hands. Plenty of time. Bower was a revelation before injured, showing all the benefits of having a few years in the system. He could well be our CHB next year (was All Australian in this possie), so I argue strongly that he has first digs ahead of Aussie at this stage. If MC can fit both in, all the better. BTW, based on what I saw earlier in the year, I reckon Bower is a good option for Buddy at this stage. Tex my No 1 option, though. BC, I am a big fan of Bower but to get something good we have to trade something good. If McKinley (and we need his type) comes home Bower may be the right trade. He is a WA boy and what WC need. I believe for our structure we need Austin & Setanta as our big blokes. We then need a third option which is Jamo (Waite as a back up). To me he is a bit similar to Bower and Thornton. My concern is this year (with GC and West Sydney coming in) it will be our last chance to get some players we need and are still young. I agree with your comments about Walker. I have always believed that with his size and mobility he would be a fantastic CHB, a better version of Campbell Brown. If we got McKinley he could stay back there. Mind you if Bower stays I would be happy as well. I didn't want Kennedy to go either but we did pretty well out of the trade! I'd rather keep Bower and trade Thornton. I think Thornton would have more currency and is still young. Bring on AISAKE and I don't think we can promote Jacobs (but would like to see him have a go. AISAKE!!!! Bring it on.