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to the same tune as glory glory to south sydney

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Heh ...

"Dinny Kelleher who is very fit is another clever coon".

Must be what an excitement machine was called back in the day

The "Ern Sheil" who is "clever with his markin" is my deceased Grandfather (1970).

He died when I was 4, but apparently he used to walk around the house singing...

"Cheer, Cheer, Cheer the boys of Carlton,
They're only now a comin' up to fame,
We will run them all around, on their own or any ground,
If they only play a fair and honest game".

Personally I would have walked around the house singing about my clever marking! I have never seen that song before, so I'll tell the family.

My brother who is far cleverer on the computer than I, has filled in the profile page on Ern in the Bluseum.

As a coincidence (perhaps!) one of my best mates, his father is a nephew of Mocha Johnson, and Lance Whitnall's wife is somehow related to Mocha.

Now that is a ripper.

We should get one or more of the musical TCers to put that into a recording, just to go along with the theme. You're building up some Carlton songs in there J, might be an idea to set up a bigger area for all that stuff.

Still want a copy of 'We are the navy Blues....oh-oh-oh oooo' a la Bryan Adams for the site. it hink the best we have is a photo of the tape!

Also - the line at the end "With apologies to Rudyard". Is it a reference to Rudyard Kipling, or someone closer to home?

Kipling's complex cultural background exposed him to the rhythms of Bombay, Lahore and Simla, the vigour of African drums, old sea-songs, hymns, music-hall songs, border ballads, and the folk-songs of England and the American dust-bowl. So we should not be surprised that he often had a tune in mind when writing his verse. Kay Robinson wrote 'When I knew Kipling in India . . . many of the 'Departmental Ditties', for instance, were written not only to music but as music. . . Kipling always conceived his verses in that way - as a tune, often a remarkably musical and, to me, novel tune'.

Some suggested templates are documented :-

"Boots" 'John Brown's Body' ...

Robert Heatley wrote:

I remember the contributions to your grandfathers page well, the main thing that was missing was a picture of him in Carlton gear.

I have a team photo or two now from that era, would you like me to send them to you to see if you can spot him?

YES!!

If anyone has a guitar or piano and a voice and would like to quickly record this song for the blueseum we would love to put the recording up on the site for posterity!

Wow, that's pretty amazing, another success for the Blueseum. It's not trivial either, historical documents like these really enrich the club's culture.

Out of interest - where will you keep the original Jarusa? Is it worth being kept secure (not in a monetary sense, but due to historical value)?

Also - the line at the end "With apologies to Rudyard". Is it a reference to Rudyard Kipling, or someone closer to home?

Author:	Jarusa [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:44 pm ]
Post subject:	The Old Blues
We get some fantastic pieces of memorabilia at the Blueseum. This one is a beauty, a song written in the late 1920's presumably for a club function (we got this from a relative of a past player). What makes it more interesting is that this song has been written at the time that the Carlton team song we all sing today after a win was thought to have beenwritten. Does it have a connection? We don't know. The article is here: http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-read_artic ... ticleId=79 Have a read, it is certainly of it's time, but a few good lines, in particular. “Good old Carlton, how we love you, win or lose we’ll never leave you.”

Author:	molsey [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:21 pm ]
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Now that is a ripper. We should get one or more of the musical TCers to put that into a recording, just to go along with the theme. You're building up some Carlton songs in there J, might be an idea to set up a bigger area for all that stuff. Still want a copy of 'We are the navy Blues....oh-oh-oh oooo' a la Bryan Adams for the site. it hink the best we have is a photo of the tape!

Author:	bluedog [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:27 pm ]
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It contains the word 'up' (line 7), so I'm happy.

Author:	HTP [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:03 pm ]
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*CONTROVERSIAL POST ALERT* Heh ... "Dinny Kelleher who is very fit is another clever coon". Must be what an excitement machine was called back in the day

Author:	Robert Heatley [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:22 pm ]
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The "Ern Sheil" who is "clever with his markin" is my deceased Grandfather (1970). He died when I was 4, but apparently he used to walk around the house singing... "Cheer, Cheer, Cheer the boys of Carlton, They're only now a comin' up to fame, We will run them all around, on their own or any ground, If they only play a fair and honest game". Personally I would have walked around the house singing about my clever marking! I have never seen that song before, so I'll tell the family. My brother who is far cleverer on the computer than I, has filled in the profile page on Ern in the Bluseum. As a coincidence (perhaps!) one of my best mates, his father is a nephew of Mocha Johnson, and Lance Whitnall's wife is somehow related to Mocha.

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Author:	Sniff Wilson [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:51 pm ]
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to the same tune as glory glory to south sydney

Author:	dane [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:10 pm ]
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Sniff Wilson wrote: to the same tune as glory glory to south sydney noone cares douchebag.

Author:	Jarusa [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:37 pm ]
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HTP wrote: *CONTROVERSIAL POST ALERT* Heh ... "Dinny Kelleher who is very fit is another clever coon". Must be what an excitement machine was called back in the day You would hope the line was endearing rather than derogatory, hard to tell from those days.

Author:	Jarusa [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:39 pm ]
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Robert Heatley wrote: The "Ern Sheil" who is "clever with his markin" is my deceased Grandfather (1970). He died when I was 4, but apparently he used to walk around the house singing... "Cheer, Cheer, Cheer the boys of Carlton, They're only now a comin' up to fame, We will run them all around, on their own or any ground, If they only play a fair and honest game". Personally I would have walked around the house singing about my clever marking! I have never seen that song before, so I'll tell the family. My brother who is far cleverer on the computer than I, has filled in the profile page on Ern in the Bluseum. As a coincidence (perhaps!) one of my best mates, his father is a nephew of Mocha Johnson, and Lance Whitnall's wife is somehow related to Mocha. I remember the contributions to your grandfathers page well, the main thing that was missing was a picture of him in Carlton gear. I have a team photo or two now from that era, would you like me to send them to you to see if you can spot him?

Author:	Jarusa [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:40 pm ]
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molsey wrote: Now that is a ripper. We should get one or more of the musical TCers to put that into a recording, just to go along with the theme. You're building up some Carlton songs in there J, might be an idea to set up a bigger area for all that stuff. Still want a copy of 'We are the navy Blues....oh-oh-oh oooo' a la Bryan Adams for the site. it hink the best we have is a photo of the tape! YES!! If anyone has a guitar or piano and a voice and would like to quickly record this song for the blueseum we would love to put the recording up on the site for posterity!

Author:	bluedog [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:01 pm ]
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Here's a simple MIDI version for starters, music only of course. http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/old-time-music/midi/005341.MID It may end a verse (or half verse) short. And at times it's difficult to get the phrasing spot on with our version of lyrics. Might have a go at recording over the next couple of days, but voice could be hazardous to listener's health.

Author:	simonverbeek [ Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:23 pm ]
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Wow, that's pretty amazing, another success for the Blueseum. It's not trivial either, historical documents like these really enrich the club's culture. Out of interest - where will you keep the original Jarusa? Is it worth being kept secure (not in a monetary sense, but due to historical value)? Also - the line at the end "With apologies to Rudyard". Is it a reference to Rudyard Kipling, or someone closer to home?

Author:	bluedog [ Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:04 am ]
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simonverbeek wrote: Also - the line at the end "With apologies to Rudyard". Is it a reference to Rudyard Kipling, or someone closer to home? http://www.kipling.org.uk/rg_music1.htm Quote: Kipling's complex cultural background exposed him to the rhythms of Bombay, Lahore and Simla, the vigour of African drums, old sea-songs, hymns, music-hall songs, border ballads, and the folk-songs of England and the American dust-bowl. So we should not be surprised that he often had a tune in mind when writing his verse. Kay Robinson wrote 'When I knew Kipling in India . . . many of the 'Departmental Ditties', for instance, were written not only to music but as music. . . Kipling always conceived his verses in that way - as a tune, often a remarkably musical and, to me, novel tune'. Some suggested templates are documented :- "Boots" 'John Brown's Body' ...

Author:	Jarusa [ Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:45 am ]
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When I saw the rudyard reference the first thing I thought of was Kipling! Seems relevant from what bluedog posted! I'm a complete musical novice, if anyone can somehow put this song to music somehow the Blueseum would love it and I am sure there will be a solid core of future carlton listeners!

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Author:	Robert Heatley [ Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:48 am ]
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Jarusa wrote: Robert Heatley wrote: The "Ern Sheil" who is "clever with his markin" is my deceased Grandfather (1970). He died when I was 4, but apparently he used to walk around the house singing... "Cheer, Cheer, Cheer the boys of Carlton, They're only now a comin' up to fame, We will run them all around, on their own or any ground, If they only play a fair and honest game". Personally I would have walked around the house singing about my clever marking! I have never seen that song before, so I'll tell the family. My brother who is far cleverer on the computer than I, has filled in the profile page on Ern in the Bluseum. As a coincidence (perhaps!) one of my best mates, his father is a nephew of Mocha Johnson, and Lance Whitnall's wife is somehow related to Mocha. I remember the contributions to your grandfathers page well, the main thing that was missing was a picture of him in Carlton gear. I have a team photo or two now from that era, would you like me to send them to you to see if you can spot him? Yes, that would be great if you could Jarusa, should I pm you an email address? In addition, I'll have to find my scrapbooks from when I was a kid. There was around the time of the 72 grand final, a contribution called a "Tigers Prayer" basically about a Richmond supporter wishing his players had the attributes of the Carlton players. I've recently learned how to scan things, so I should be able to deliver!

Author:	molsey [ Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:27 pm ]
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Jarusa wrote: YES!! If anyone has a guitar or piano and a voice and would like to quickly record this song for the blueseum we would love to put the recording up on the site for posterity! Guitars are still in Melbourne but I'm sure I could do something in a few months

Author:	tcblue [ Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:52 am ]
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It was called. My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord. I have a recording of it by the Morman Tabernacle Choir, one of the best in the world. Im sure Dick could fly over, and get them to do a version to our words. There's the first 16 bars.I cant sing for nuts. We need a singer. .

Author:	Jarusa [ Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:55 pm ]
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simonverbeek wrote: Wow, that's pretty amazing, another success for the Blueseum. It's not trivial either, historical documents like these really enrich the club's culture. Out of interest - where will you keep the original Jarusa? Is it worth being kept secure (not in a monetary sense, but due to historical value)? Also - the line at the end "With apologies to Rudyard". Is it a reference to Rudyard Kipling, or someone closer to home? The original is still with the owner, the Blueseum was sent a scanned copy of the original. Would be nice if the club or an organisation associated with the club had a fund to be able to purchase and safekeep items of importance to the club. Perhaps an idea to be expanded upon. Luckily some of this treasure is being preserved, but I shudder to think of all the Blues memorabilia that might be inadvertantly thrown out by family members unaware of the significance of their relatives belongings.

Author:	Jarusa [ Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:57 pm ]
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bluedog, go for it, would love to hear the song live. Likewise molsey, I've heard your dulcet tones before, would be great to get a recording as well when you get your hands on your guitars again. tcblue, thanks for the work put into that songsheet.

Author:	Jarusa [ Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: The Old Blues
Another old Carlton song has surfaced. The songsheet and music can be seen here (song dates from 1935). http://www.nla.gov.au/apps/cdview?pi=nl ... 50872-s1-v If any of the music gurus here can let the Blueseum know what this tune is and how it sounds it would be great.