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| Author: | simonverbeek [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Round 18 - Pros and Cons |
Well we huffed and puffed, but when you have 1 forward, you're not going to blow the house down. PROS 1. Fev - I thought he'd have a downer after signing his contract due to the hunger disappearing, but he was sublime. If only he had a partner in crime. 2. Simpson - most consistent player of the year by a mile 3. Walker - had a good game I thought 4. Kreuzer - he's gonna be special, but I just hope he doesn;t get worn out. 5. We played poorly and didn't lose by much - we're a good forward away from being very dangerous Special mention - Waite, ripper game CONS 1. For week 18 in a row, the lack of forward options - Waht I don;t like is that we haven;t developed any forward player OR structure this year. Look at Adelaide - no big name forward but they had a structure that stretched us. Why can;t we do that? Because Craig is a bit smarter than Ratts probably. 2. Kickouts - another situation of Craig > Ratts. Fair dinkum the long bomb to 45 degress - Are you kidding me? 3. First option - too many players thought twice today instead of taking the first option (Murph was one) and this hurt us. 4. Some of Stevo's lazy handballs tainted a decent game from him. 5. Betts being out in the last quarter hurt us cos he does spark stuff We're moving forward but we've got some big holes to fill. |
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| Author: | aramari [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Pros and Cons |
Thought i'd get the ball rolling... PROS Scotland in great form Jamo early Fev was ok Armfield tried to take the game on Carrazzo back in touch Stevo Walker important, will only get better Jack Ziebell sounds good..... CONS Murphy - looked a very ordinary player Judd - Shirley has his measure and kicked 2 goals Betts - ineffective early then injured Fisher Wiggins Russell all quiet after bright starts - Our form is ordinary - tough, accountable team made it hard, we weren't good enough. Dogs win was fools gold - they were incredibly loose last week. It's all about next year from here |
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| Author: | Lowey_47 [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:24 pm ] |
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Yep, did Wiggins, Russell or Fisher get a touch in the last quarter (not that I am necessarily blaming them)??? |
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| Author: | shuffagus [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:27 pm ] |
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CONS: betts injury season over umpires turnovers PROS: simpson 1aw gibbs |
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| Author: | Dodo27 [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:30 pm ] |
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Con: We gota look forward to next Week. We should beat Port & then set up a Die or do Game against North , which will put a finale to our Positive & Encouraging Season |
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| Author: | darknavy [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:31 pm ] |
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Pros: been years since I have seen our players walk off the ground looking filthy after a loss. Cons:should have beaten them |
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| Author: | aramari [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:32 pm ] |
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| Author: | Jez1966 [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:32 pm ] |
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FWIW the season is not over
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| Author: | Ponkstar [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:35 pm ] |
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PROS Gibbs - the smothering king Wiggo - finally believing in himself as a footballer Simmo - our guaranteed four-quarter player The tackling much better than has been for ages Eddie Betts - unfortunately injured but having Mcleod marking him in the BP is a real indication of the threat he poses to other teams. CONS Fricking umpire going down and taking Fev's legs out from him cost us a pretty certain goal Poor disposal again. Seeing Massie playing for the Crows still hurts. Not taking our chances in the last quarter - ie Scotland blazing wide from 50 instead of passing, Wiggins running into open goal and deciding to centre it instead etc. We should have run all over them. |
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| Author: | mjonc [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:38 pm ] |
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Cons: - Plenty of meat on special at Princes Park Monday. - Jamo had a shocker - Nothing across half forward. - Our middle quarters again are poor. I still think we try to conserve energy for the last quarter. Pros: - Carrots was nearly immaculate. Great game, clean hands, strong. - Simmo never stopped running. - Stevo was good. - Fev 5 goals was solid. - Walker and Waite solid. We aren't far off, just improve our skills and we win another 3 or 4 games this season. |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:41 pm ] |
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Jez1966 wrote: FWIW the season is not over
need to win all 4 remaining games including brisbane at gabba and hawks at dome |
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| Author: | blue4 [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:44 pm ] |
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great endeavour by simmo but 52% efficiency is not good enough on the other end of the scale carrots had 33 disposals for 88% efficiency...now that is SUBLIME. |
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| Author: | Kouta [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:44 pm ] |
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Pros. Gibbs - his giving away free kicks by going in hard and showing some mongrel is just what I wanted to see. Russell's first quarter - clean hands below his knees, quick handpasses and going in very hard was great to see. Has the talent to make it, but just needs the confidence and more development. Cons. Murphy - poor disposal and decision making. Cloke . Carrazzo - Played a good game? I don't care what the stats say, he's the butcher of Carlton when he gets the ball. Browne - still adjusting to the pace of footy and looked like he didn't belong. Armfield's selection - straight in for Hartlett after returning from injury. Bizarre when he's a first year player and isn't a gun. Betts. |
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| Author: | blue4 [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:48 pm ] |
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carrots had a great game -- 88% 
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:52 pm ] |
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not sure how they rate efficiency 88% 
so many of his kicks are floaters that put his team mates under pressure and he likes to loop his handballs too. he was pretty good today but i think he may owe someone some money for that rating. that or his team mates for being good enough to gather his kicks |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:00 pm ] |
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BlueIce wrote: 10 Has the talent to make it, but just needs the confidence and more development.
20 Goto 10 |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:26 pm ] |
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PROS Simpson's stamina, pace and 4 Q's Carrazzo's 4 Q effort, strength, evasive skill and no clangers Waite 4 Q effort battled for everything. Stopped critical entries forward by Crows Jamison is a gun Wiggo, Russell, Fisher's 1st Q Kreuzer was fantastic TV Commentator thought No 14 (umpire) was good for the Crows FevolWalker's pace is handy Stevo was good CONS Kreuzer missed his first shot We lost the game Umpires made sure we didn't make the finals (disgrace) Umpire No 14 gave Crows 19 players on the field. I guess the finals window has closed (maybe) Murphy's disposal Gibbs didn't chase hard enough in the last (unless he was spent) Walker's reckless kicking (accuracy and just blazing away) Ball handling and Clagers Browne Thornton Cloke (is not a ruckman and not a running player of the modern game) Critical errors from seniors cost us (Scotto, Stevo) |
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| Author: | cj69 [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:38 pm ] |
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PROS 1st qtr looked pretty good. Gibbs - poise and skill Simpson - was awesome Waite - wish we had two of him Browne - thought he showed some improvement Austin - shows signs and will only better Carrazzo - has to play on ball not defence Pushed a side that plays ugly at their home and is tough and hard Lot to like going fwd CONS We Lost Stevens handballing Russell looks great for 20 minutes very week then goes missing Turnovers & skill errors Ability to play 4 qtrs yet Ruck Lack of small fwds and fwd options thought we missed the big option in defence (Setanta?) |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:06 pm ] |
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cj69 wrote: PROS
1st qtr looked pretty good. Gibbs - poise and skill Simpson - was awesome Waite - wish we had two of him Browne - thought he showed some improvement Austin - shows signs and will only better Carrazzo - has to play on ball not defence Pushed a side that plays ugly at their home and is tough and hard Lot to like going fwd CONS We Lost Stevens handballing Russell looks great for 20 minutes very week then goes missing Turnovers & skill errors Ability to play 4 qtrs yet Ruck Lack of small fwds and fwd options thought we missed the big option in defence (Setanta?) I reckon Stevens is one of our best handballers. He did some beuties today....but then he handballed to the Crows which resulted in a goal. Don't be so harsh on his handball...have a look at the tape again and compare Stevens with most other Carlton players. Handball in general was pathetic today. |
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| Author: | Rhys26 [ Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:09 pm ] |
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Pros: Not a big fan of Carrots but I thought he was brilliant today - his disposal was first rate Gibbs efforts, skill and decision making. 1st quarter performance of Russell and Wiggins Cons: Fisher gives us nothing as per usual. How he got a 2 year contract is a mystery Although I thought simpson was good he butchered the ball in the first half Wiggins and Russell were hardly sighted in the 2nd half Scotlands disposal and mistakes in the 2nd half were horrific |
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