Could have Pagan coached any worse last night I doubt it, any suggestions?

Do you have any?

What did you think was wrong with Ratten's coaching last night?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

What is the point of this thread, are we always going to look backwards when we have a loss

Why not start another thread, 'Could we have played better if we had Lance in the team?'

No, that’s why I’m asking and all that chipping the ball near the end of the second quarter was disgraceful, even some Carlton fans around me were jeering.

Under Pagan if we tried that we would have coughed it up.

Or we would have bombed it 5 times into the forward 50 to Fev, only to watch it sail back over our heads for 5 goals.

Ratts has a plan.

Pagan didn't have one.

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Congratulations CK95

the chipping was fantastic, stemmed the flow of opposition goals and gave control back to us - chip around and let them come to you then make the break

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Was that the only issue you had with his coaching?

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I got abused by Carlton supporters for supporting the tactics used at the end of the second quarter.

Lets say we were up by 7 points with 2 minutes to go in the game against Geelong last night. Would you complain if we played tempo footy then?

Because if we ever find ourselves in a situation like that we will have confidence that we can keep control of the ball for the remaining two minutes if we have been able to do against the best side in the competition and to top it off we were rewarded with a goal.

Why are people complaining now anyway? We did this heaps earlier on this year and we did it perfectly against Collingwood which won us the game.

Agree 100%, I was fully in favour of the chipping around, we were 19 points down when it started, and 13 when it ended, so how was it a bad move?

Pagan had 1 plan, which was to play exactly the same as North did in the 90s regardless of personnel. We would of lost last night by 100+ if he was coach.

If you want to see non stop attacking footy, go watch Essendon* how they fared against Geelong.

I don't know why people are looking for scapegoats after last night, were playing a side which has lost twice in 30 matches, we have improved, but not sufficiently to be competitive against the best. We still have to turn over/get more quality onto our list. ALL OF THIS WAS KNOWN PRIOR TO LAST NIGHTS MATCH!

Bull dust Ratts has a plan.

The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper.

What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's

Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook

Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating.

Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street

This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well

drugs are bad for you

200 KILLER WASPS!!!!!!!!!

Rubbish thread. Into the bin.

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Disagree totally, for those who see endless attacking footy as the path to success, take a look at Hawthorn 2005/06, who were routinely criticised for over-possessing the ball/being defensive etc. Also Essendon* on Friday night werent exactly playing gung ho attacking footy were they?

The difference with Ratten and Pagan is, Ratts has a style of play to suit the personnel, whereas Denis just played his way, regardless of the teams strengths or weaknesses.

The reason why Hawthorn circa 2005/06 and Carlton of 2008 are not playing super attacking crash and bash footy is because the players physically aren't capable of it yet. I remember people thinking it would effect the Hawks development, which doesn't seem to be the case.

No eight cups of coffee a day are bad for you.

I feel as if we play a somewhat negative style of play and this can be a little uninspiring at times. But saying that when we've tried to have shoot outs we have lost

The Kangas are chasing Smurph

No the difference is Buddy Franklin. Take Buddy out of that side and the Hawks would be back with the rest of the pack

So what you are saying is without star players, team would be worse (Hawks minus Franklin, Carlton minus Judd).

So for Ratten or Clarkson to be classified as good coaches they need to set up premiership sides without any stars

In other pearls of wisdom I believe the following:
Geelong would be weaker without Ablett
Sydney would be weaker without Goodes
Bulldogs would be weaker without Cooney
Brisbane would be weaker without Brown
Freo would be even crapper without Pavlich

So from what you are saying Melvey, Ratten is in a no win position already. If we win, its because we have the personnel, if we lose, hes a crap coach.

Being a premiership side means having a combination of personnel & tactics which can get the optimum out of the group, and I believe with our list and Ratts we can achieve that.

Settle down

Is that code for 'I realise I make little to no sense with my observations'?

It's you interpreting what i said as something completely different.

I don't think the Hawks are that good. Buddy makes a huge difference but good luck to them