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Picking Richo on a wing helps him make room for all the other top forwards.

We all know that richo is starting on the wing then going wherever he wants and then when he needs a breater he goes to the forward line and while there kicks his goals.

He deserves to be AA but i would not be comparing Simpson to him.

All Australian selection is just as hype driven as other awards, Richo will get a gig because he's being pumped up in the media and commentary box moreso than how he actually compares to other players in the same position.

Wojee wrote:

Agree, Richo cant kick for shit why do you think they are hiding him on the Wing.

This is purely a "benefit" year for Richo and they may have even hyped a Brownlow for him as well. :roll:

Richo is a tough matchup because he can go back and forward and kick goals too. Makes him more dangerous.

How many other players can go with him all around the ground with his massive tank, be able to play as a defender and a forward when need be and have the height and strength to match him?

and also had birchall on a HBF in his all australian team

dont have that much of a problem with the bradshaw>fev comment as that will come down to individual bias - statistically bradshaw/fev are virtually identical in possies/game, goals, behinds, tackles, etc

You could mount an arguement that fev benefits from the number of opportunities (I50 entries directed to him).

Equally you could mount an arguement that bradshaw benefits from having brown make space for him etc.

too close to call at this stage imho.

Author:	DIAMOTISM [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:23 pm ]
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G Healey said the other night on 3AW that Richo is a certainty to be an All Australian winger this year. Healey is a selector so they probably have already made that decision. So who should go on the other wing? I thought if Richo is the best wingmen then I should compare the stats between Richo and Simmo. Well here they are: Kicks Simmo 121 Richo 136 Handballs Simmo 77 Richo 57 Disposals Simmo 198 Richo 193 Disposal Efficiency Simmo 80% Richo 68% Contested Possessions Simmo 55 Richo 72 Uncontested Possessions Simmo 146 Richo 122 Tackles Simmo 27 Richo 7 Goals Simmo 5 Richo 27 Score Assists Simmo 11 Richo 5 Our Simmo is having a great year on paper if we compare him against the so called best.

Author:	Donstuie [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:25 pm ]
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Presence

Author:	club29 [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:29 pm ]
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Picking Richo on a wing helps him make room for all the other top forwards. We all know that richo is starting on the wing then going wherever he wants and then when he needs a breater he goes to the forward line and while there kicks his goals. He deserves to be AA but i would not be comparing Simpson to him.

Author:	DIAMOTISM [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:44 pm ]
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club29 wrote: Picking Richo on a wing helps him make room for all the other top forwards. We all know that richo is starting on the wing then going wherever he wants and then when he needs a breater he goes to the forward line and while there kicks his goals. He deserves to be AA but i would not be comparing Simpson to him. Well that is the way I operate. If I want to find out how good something is, I compare it to the best. Would you rather me compare Simmo to Scarlet then or how about Anthony Mundine? I just thought comparing two wingmen was a pretty good start.

Author:	club29 [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:02 pm ]
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Sorry i didnt mean sound rude. I just think comparing richo to simpson and using one of the comparisons - goals kicked - then the comparison will be a bit off because Richo rests up forward. Not having a go at you or Simpson for that matter. I vote Simpson for the other wing !

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Author:	shuffagus [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:19 pm ]
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richo's been talked up by the media way too much....yea, simmo ftw

Author:	Clayman [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:48 am ]
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I think this shows how over rated Richo is. Yes he is kicking goals, but Simmo beats him in disposals, efficiency, assists and tackles - I cannot believe they have already named Richo the All Australian wingmen. Maybe Healey should look at these stats. Simmo is playing good football and I like the 80% efficiency which shows he uses it very well.

Author:	Wojee [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:37 am ]
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All Australian selection is just as hype driven as other awards, Richo will get a gig because he's being pumped up in the media and commentary box moreso than how he actually compares to other players in the same position.

Author:	AGRO [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:45 pm ]
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Wojee wrote: All Australian selection is just as hype driven as other awards, Richo will get a gig because he's being pumped up in the media and commentary box moreso than how he actually compares to other players in the same position. Agree, Richo cant kick for shit why do you think they are hiding him on the Wing. This is purely a "benefit" year for Richo and they may have even hyped a Brownlow for him as well.

Author:	Blue Kiwi [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:07 pm ]
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It's "almost" foolish to even try and compare them. If Richo was at the Blues he'd be probably be our second highest goal scorer which highlights how much of a different role he plays to Simmo. But hell - I'd love to see another blue in the AAs

Author:	jt [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:24 pm ]
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Richo is a tough matchup because he can go back and forward and kick goals too. Makes him more dangerous. How many other players can go with him all around the ground with his massive tank, be able to play as a defender and a forward when need be and have the height and strength to match him?

Author:	jake_h03 [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:48 am ]
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AGRO wrote: Wojee wrote: All Australian selection is just as hype driven as other awards, Richo will get a gig because he's being pumped up in the media and commentary box moreso than how he actually compares to other players in the same position. Agree, Richo cant kick for shit why do you think they are hiding him on the Wing. This is purely a "benefit" year for Richo and they may have even hyped a Brownlow for him as well. Haha. Nahhhhh. I think it's a 3 horse race of Ablett Black and Cooney now that Mitchells ineligible. Franklin will get a lot of votes too but don't think he's in the running. My moneys on Black, literally

Author:	Darui_pooie [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:32 am ]
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Marks???

Author:	Clayman [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:58 am ]
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jt wrote: Richo is a tough matchup because he can go back and forward and kick goals too. Makes him more dangerous. How many other players can go with him all around the ground with his massive tank, be able to play as a defender and a forward when need be and have the height and strength to match him? Jarrod Waite could.

Author:	shuffagus [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:10 pm ]
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"Best player in the league at the moment" - Shane Crawford 6/6/08

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Author:	grrofunger [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:57 pm ]
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buckley called him the best wingman by far at half time tonight then also said bradshaw was the better full forward than fevola and also had birchall on a HBF in his all australian team the media are on smack

Author:	4thchicken [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:48 pm ]
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dont have that much of a problem with the bradshaw>fev comment as that will come down to individual bias - statistically bradshaw/fev are virtually identical in possies/game, goals, behinds, tackles, etc You could mount an arguement that fev benefits from the number of opportunities (I50 entries directed to him). Equally you could mount an arguement that bradshaw benefits from having brown make space for him etc. too close to call at this stage imho.

Author:	shuffagus [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:52 am ]
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grrofunger wrote: and also had birchall on a HBF in his all australian team

Author:	Adam Chatfield [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:40 pm ]
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4thchicken wrote: dont have that much of a problem with the bradshaw>fev comment as that will come down to individual bias - statistically bradshaw/fev are virtually identical in possies/game, goals, behinds, tackles, etc You could mount an arguement that fev benefits from the number of opportunities (I50 entries directed to him). Equally you could mount an arguement that bradshaw benefits from having brown make space for him etc. too close to call at this stage imho. I think Bradshaw has a greater advantage, playing in a better side, alongside Brown.