Could have Pagan coached any worse last night I doubt it, any suggestions?
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| Author: | bluekettle [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:57 am ] |
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Could have Pagan coached any worse last night I doubt it, any suggestions?
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:58 am ] |
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Do you have any? What did you think was wrong with Ratten's coaching last night? |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:00 pm ] |
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have grammar will follow |
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| Author: | Jez1966 [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:02 pm ] |
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What is the point of this thread, are we always going to look backwards when we have a loss 
Why not start another thread, 'Could we have played better if we had Lance in the team?' |
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| Author: | bluekettle [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:05 pm ] |
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TruBlueBrad wrote: Do you have any?
What did you think was wrong with Ratten's coaching last night? No, that’s why I’m asking and all that chipping the ball near the end of the second quarter was disgraceful, even some Carlton fans around me were jeering. |
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| Author: | bluehammer [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:07 pm ] |
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Under Pagan if we tried that we would have coughed it up. Or we would have bombed it 5 times into the forward 50 to Fev, only to watch it sail back over our heads for 5 goals. Ratts has a plan. Pagan didn't have one. |
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| Author: | kingkerna [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:07 pm ] |
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the chipping was fantastic, stemmed the flow of opposition goals and gave control back to us - chip around and let them come to you then make the break |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:09 pm ] |
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bluekettle wrote: TruBlueBrad wrote: Do you have any? What did you think was wrong with Ratten's coaching last night? No, that’s why I’m asking and all that chipping the ball near the end of the second quarter was disgraceful, even some Carlton fans around me were jeering. Was that the only issue you had with his coaching? |
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| Author: | Pklz [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:19 pm ] |
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I got abused by Carlton supporters for supporting the tactics used at the end of the second quarter. Lets say we were up by 7 points with 2 minutes to go in the game against Geelong last night. Would you complain if we played tempo footy then? Because if we ever find ourselves in a situation like that we will have confidence that we can keep control of the ball for the remaining two minutes if we have been able to do against the best side in the competition and to top it off we were rewarded with a goal. Why are people complaining now anyway? We did this heaps earlier on this year and we did it perfectly against Collingwood which won us the game. |
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| Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:24 pm ] |
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bluehammer wrote: Under Pagan if we tried that we would have coughed it up.
Or we would have bombed it 5 times into the forward 50 to Fev, only to watch it sail back over our heads for 5 goals. Ratts has a plan. Pagan didn't have one. Agree 100%, I was fully in favour of the chipping around, we were 19 points down when it started, and 13 when it ended, so how was it a bad move? Pagan had 1 plan, which was to play exactly the same as North did in the 90s regardless of personnel. We would of lost last night by 100+ if he was coach. If you want to see non stop attacking footy, go watch Essendon* how they fared against Geelong. I don't know why people are looking for scapegoats after last night, were playing a side which has lost twice in 30 matches, we have improved, but not sufficiently to be competitive against the best. We still have to turn over/get more quality onto our list. ALL OF THIS WAS KNOWN PRIOR TO LAST NIGHTS MATCH! |
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| Author: | Melvey [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:33 pm ] |
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Bull dust Ratts has a plan. The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper. What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating. Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well |
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| Author: | doofdoof [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:37 pm ] |
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Melvey wrote: Bull dust Ratts has a plan.
The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper. What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating. Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well drugs are bad for you |
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| Author: | Crusader [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:39 pm ] |
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200 KILLER WASPS!!!!!!!!! Rubbish thread. Into the bin. |
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| Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:46 pm ] |
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Melvey wrote: Bull dust Ratts has a plan.
The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper. What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating. Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well Disagree totally, for those who see endless attacking footy as the path to success, take a look at Hawthorn 2005/06, who were routinely criticised for over-possessing the ball/being defensive etc. Also Essendon* on Friday night werent exactly playing gung ho attacking footy were they? The difference with Ratten and Pagan is, Ratts has a style of play to suit the personnel, whereas Denis just played his way, regardless of the teams strengths or weaknesses. The reason why Hawthorn circa 2005/06 and Carlton of 2008 are not playing super attacking crash and bash footy is because the players physically aren't capable of it yet. I remember people thinking it would effect the Hawks development, which doesn't seem to be the case. |
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| Author: | Melvey [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:58 pm ] |
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doofdoof wrote: Melvey wrote: Bull dust Ratts has a plan. The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper. What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating. Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well drugs are bad for you No eight cups of coffee a day are bad for you. I feel as if we play a somewhat negative style of play and this can be a little uninspiring at times. But saying that when we've tried to have shoot outs we have lost The Kangas are chasing Smurph |
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| Author: | Melvey [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:59 pm ] |
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Adam Chatfield wrote: Melvey wrote: Bull dust Ratts has a plan. The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper. What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating. Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well Disagree totally, for those who see endless attacking footy as the path to success, take a look at Hawthorn 2005/06, who were routinely criticised for over-possessing the ball/being defensive etc. Also Essendon* on Friday night werent exactly playing gung ho attacking footy were they? The difference with Ratten and Pagan is, Ratts has a style of play to suit the personnel, whereas Denis just played his way, regardless of the teams strengths or weaknesses. The reason why Hawthorn circa 2005/06 and Carlton of 2008 are not playing super attacking crash and bash footy is because the players physically aren't capable of it yet. I remember people thinking it would effect the Hawks development, which doesn't seem to be the case. No the difference is Buddy Franklin. Take Buddy out of that side and the Hawks would be back with the rest of the pack |
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| Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:14 pm ] |
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Melvey wrote: Adam Chatfield wrote: Melvey wrote: Bull dust Ratts has a plan. The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper. What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating. Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well Disagree totally, for those who see endless attacking footy as the path to success, take a look at Hawthorn 2005/06, who were routinely criticised for over-possessing the ball/being defensive etc. Also Essendon* on Friday night werent exactly playing gung ho attacking footy were they? The difference with Ratten and Pagan is, Ratts has a style of play to suit the personnel, whereas Denis just played his way, regardless of the teams strengths or weaknesses. The reason why Hawthorn circa 2005/06 and Carlton of 2008 are not playing super attacking crash and bash footy is because the players physically aren't capable of it yet. I remember people thinking it would effect the Hawks development, which doesn't seem to be the case. No the difference is Buddy Franklin. Take Buddy out of that side and the Hawks would be back with the rest of the pack So what you are saying is without star players, team would be worse (Hawks minus Franklin, Carlton minus Judd). So for Ratten or Clarkson to be classified as good coaches they need to set up premiership sides without any stars
In other pearls of wisdom I believe the following: Geelong would be weaker without Ablett Sydney would be weaker without Goodes Bulldogs would be weaker without Cooney Brisbane would be weaker without Brown Freo would be even crapper without Pavlich So from what you are saying Melvey, Ratten is in a no win position already. If we win, its because we have the personnel, if we lose, hes a crap coach. Being a premiership side means having a combination of personnel & tactics which can get the optimum out of the group, and I believe with our list and Ratts we can achieve that. |
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| Author: | Melvey [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:18 pm ] |
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Adam Chatfield wrote: Melvey wrote: Adam Chatfield wrote: Melvey wrote: Bull dust Ratts has a plan. The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper. What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating. Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well Disagree totally, for those who see endless attacking footy as the path to success, take a look at Hawthorn 2005/06, who were routinely criticised for over-possessing the ball/being defensive etc. Also Essendon* on Friday night werent exactly playing gung ho attacking footy were they? The difference with Ratten and Pagan is, Ratts has a style of play to suit the personnel, whereas Denis just played his way, regardless of the teams strengths or weaknesses. The reason why Hawthorn circa 2005/06 and Carlton of 2008 are not playing super attacking crash and bash footy is because the players physically aren't capable of it yet. I remember people thinking it would effect the Hawks development, which doesn't seem to be the case. No the difference is Buddy Franklin. Take Buddy out of that side and the Hawks would be back with the rest of the pack So what you are saying is without star players, team would be worse (Hawks minus Franklin, Carlton minus Judd). So for Ratten or Clarkson to be classified as good coaches they need to set up premiership sides without any stars In other pearls of wisdom I believe the following: Geelong would be weaker without Ablett Sydney would be weaker without Goodes Bulldogs would be weaker without Cooney Brisbane would be weaker without Brown Freo would be even crapper without Pavlich So from what you are saying Melvey, Ratten is in a no win position already. If we win, its because we have the personnel, if we lose, hes a crap coach. Being a premiership side means having a combination of personnel & tactics which can get the optimum out of the group, and I believe with our list and Ratts we can achieve that. Settle down |
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| Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:23 pm ] |
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Melvey wrote: Adam Chatfield wrote: Melvey wrote: Adam Chatfield wrote: Melvey wrote: Bull dust Ratts has a plan. The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper. What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating. Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well Disagree totally, for those who see endless attacking footy as the path to success, take a look at Hawthorn 2005/06, who were routinely criticised for over-possessing the ball/being defensive etc. Also Essendon* on Friday night werent exactly playing gung ho attacking footy were they? The difference with Ratten and Pagan is, Ratts has a style of play to suit the personnel, whereas Denis just played his way, regardless of the teams strengths or weaknesses. The reason why Hawthorn circa 2005/06 and Carlton of 2008 are not playing super attacking crash and bash footy is because the players physically aren't capable of it yet. I remember people thinking it would effect the Hawks development, which doesn't seem to be the case. No the difference is Buddy Franklin. Take Buddy out of that side and the Hawks would be back with the rest of the pack So what you are saying is without star players, team would be worse (Hawks minus Franklin, Carlton minus Judd). So for Ratten or Clarkson to be classified as good coaches they need to set up premiership sides without any stars In other pearls of wisdom I believe the following: Geelong would be weaker without Ablett Sydney would be weaker without Goodes Bulldogs would be weaker without Cooney Brisbane would be weaker without Brown Freo would be even crapper without Pavlich So from what you are saying Melvey, Ratten is in a no win position already. If we win, its because we have the personnel, if we lose, hes a crap coach. Being a premiership side means having a combination of personnel & tactics which can get the optimum out of the group, and I believe with our list and Ratts we can achieve that. Settle down Is that code for 'I realise I make little to no sense with my observations'? |
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| Author: | Melvey [ Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:27 pm ] |
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Adam Chatfield wrote: Melvey wrote: Adam Chatfield wrote: Melvey wrote: Adam Chatfield wrote: Melvey wrote: Bull dust Ratts has a plan. The improvement alone has come from the fact Dennis is gone and Juddy is running around in a navy blue jumper. What plans has he have for our forward structure?? trading away our picks for a shit Freo player's Matty Knights has been torn a new a*se hole cause his of his directioin to play attacking football. He will not budge on his plan and trust me the Bombers will be a better side for it. He does not have the cattle at his exposure yet but they have some neat young players and will grow from strength to strength because they are playing with a positive outlook Where as our NEGATIVE keeping's off uncontested brand of football our young players are being instructed to play is uninspiring and from what i see as frustrating. Last night and the past few weeks something hasn't looked right out there. Now i've heard this from a Kangas power broker he said he would love Murph at Arden street This is the same guy who told me about how Pagan and sticks tried to woe Boomer Harvey across to the blues with a 600k a year contract and the captaincy several years ago. The dinner was held the night before the Kangas smashed us at the Dome by 100 points. He told me Mckernan was leaving back for Arden street as well Disagree totally, for those who see endless attacking footy as the path to success, take a look at Hawthorn 2005/06, who were routinely criticised for over-possessing the ball/being defensive etc. Also Essendon* on Friday night werent exactly playing gung ho attacking footy were they? The difference with Ratten and Pagan is, Ratts has a style of play to suit the personnel, whereas Denis just played his way, regardless of the teams strengths or weaknesses. The reason why Hawthorn circa 2005/06 and Carlton of 2008 are not playing super attacking crash and bash footy is because the players physically aren't capable of it yet. I remember people thinking it would effect the Hawks development, which doesn't seem to be the case. No the difference is Buddy Franklin. Take Buddy out of that side and the Hawks would be back with the rest of the pack So what you are saying is without star players, team would be worse (Hawks minus Franklin, Carlton minus Judd). So for Ratten or Clarkson to be classified as good coaches they need to set up premiership sides without any stars In other pearls of wisdom I believe the following: Geelong would be weaker without Ablett Sydney would be weaker without Goodes Bulldogs would be weaker without Cooney Brisbane would be weaker without Brown Freo would be even crapper without Pavlich So from what you are saying Melvey, Ratten is in a no win position already. If we win, its because we have the personnel, if we lose, hes a crap coach. Being a premiership side means having a combination of personnel & tactics which can get the optimum out of the group, and I believe with our list and Ratts we can achieve that. Settle down Is that code for 'I realise I make little to no sense with my observations'? It's you interpreting what i said as something completely different. I don't think the Hawks are that good. Buddy makes a huge difference but good luck to them |
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