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Author:  cecil89 [ Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:26 pm ]
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FB: B Thornton, M Jamison, D Armfield
HB: H Scotland J Waite P Bower
C: N Stevens C Judd K Simpson
HF: A Walker M Kruezer R Houlihan
FF: B Fisher B Fevola E Betts
Ruck: S Hampson M Murphy B Gibbs
Int: C Cloke J Russell S Grigg A Carrazzo

In my opinion this is our best current line-up. The only weakness i see is that we need one more key forward. If we could get somebody who is a strong presence at CHF, it allows Kruezer to play more in the ruck and closer to goals when forward. Walker, Fisher, Russell, Wiggins when he plays, are all good lead-up forwards, leading up to the wings. What we need is a strong presence at 50-60m from goal to straighten us up.

It would be great if Edwards could play this role, but from what i read on here, it wont happen???

I believe the backline is looking really good. Thornton, Jamo, Bower and Waite can take the Tall/Mid sized forwards, Armfield takes the dangerous small, Carrazzo can also play this role, and Scotland as a sweeper.

If we were to find a CHF from somewhere, Cloke would miss out. Kruezer and Hampson will be able to handle the ruck in 2009. Another preseason will do wonders.

I think we are looking bloody good!! :-D
Author:  blueboy23 [ Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:37 pm ]
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instead of looking at brogan and white should we look at kosi, ryan murphy, tim boyle or cleve hughes? warnock i think will sign with melbourne so maybe a lesser known player. dont think kosi would come but i would like the blues to look at one of the above names. what about andrew lovett if he was to become available? would add great speed. if we did pick up a forward we could look at a key defender with our first pick, hurley i would assume. just a thought.
Author:  klakker [ Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:45 pm ]
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Cecil89 says "all we need is a tall forward ' . Obviously doesn't want to play finals . Lets face facts , there are at least 8 players getting a regular game with us that would not have played one with Geelong . We need a hell of a lot more than 1 good forward .
Author:  budzy [ Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:41 pm ]
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bondiblue wrote:
nytdog wrote:
FB: Paul Bower; Michael Jamison; Brett Thornton

HB: Shaun Grigg; Jarrad Waite; Heath Scotland

C: Nick Stevens; Marc Murphy; Kade Simpson

HF: Ryan Houlihan; Matthew Kreuzer; Brad Fisher

FF: Eddie Betts; Brendan Fevola; Andrew Walker

R: Shaun Hampson; Bryce Gibbs; Chris Judd

INT: Cameron Cloke; Steven Browne; Richard Hadley; Setanta O'hAilpin

EMERGENCIES and DEPTH: Jordan Russell; Mark Austin; Dennis Armfield; Simon Wiggins; Andrew Carrazzo; Jordan Bannister; Darren Pfeiffer; Adam Bentick; Joe Anderson

Gone:
Jason Saddington (good career, time to hang it up)
Cain Ackland (soft and should never have played for the blues)
Adam Hartlett (unfortunate but his body will not hold up)
Jake Edwards (one trick poney)
Luke Blackwell (a real shame, would like to see him stay)
Clint Benjamin (shown nothing)
Ryan Jackson (unfortunate, lacks the same class as our other midfielders)
Aisake O'hAilpin (??? completely wasted talent! hope gets another chance)


IMO Fantastic post nytdog, and really good team; representative of where we're at.

Carrazzo from Browne imo

Armfield is one of my favourites, but is only in his first year.

Dunno about Hartlett and Jackson. Maybe a lack of class is a good description for Jackson, but what an engine. Hartlett's position I think is dependent on the trade opportunities and likelihood of snagging a KP, or maybe whether we keep Aisake or not.

Edwards I gave up on a long long time ago, but the fact he's kicked goals in his first 2 games says something, but imo he lacks a bit of heart/ mongrel. Has potential, but we can't afford to kep em all, we must entertain this years draft and trade period.


What problem do you have with Browne, Bondi?

I'm tipping a big 2nd year for Steven after a rest and a full preseason ..will surpass Carrotts very quickly IMO :wink:

Edwards is still young enough to persist with for another year and I'd keep Harts as well for another year ..Jacko Benji and Blackers might be in trouble. I'll be filthy if Ratts shows Pfeiff the door.
Author:  nytdog [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:21 am ]
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budzy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
nytdog wrote:
FB: Paul Bower; Michael Jamison; Brett Thornton

HB: Shaun Grigg; Jarrad Waite; Heath Scotland

C: Nick Stevens; Marc Murphy; Kade Simpson

HF: Ryan Houlihan; Matthew Kreuzer; Brad Fisher

FF: Eddie Betts; Brendan Fevola; Andrew Walker

R: Shaun Hampson; Bryce Gibbs; Chris Judd

INT: Cameron Cloke; Steven Browne; Richard Hadley; Setanta O'hAilpin

EMERGENCIES and DEPTH: Jordan Russell; Mark Austin; Dennis Armfield; Simon Wiggins; Andrew Carrazzo; Jordan Bannister; Darren Pfeiffer; Adam Bentick; Joe Anderson

Gone:
Jason Saddington (good career, time to hang it up)
Cain Ackland (soft and should never have played for the blues)
Adam Hartlett (unfortunate but his body will not hold up)
Jake Edwards (one trick poney)
Luke Blackwell (a real shame, would like to see him stay)
Clint Benjamin (shown nothing)
Ryan Jackson (unfortunate, lacks the same class as our other midfielders)
Aisake O'hAilpin (??? completely wasted talent! hope gets another chance)


IMO Fantastic post nytdog, and really good team; representative of where we're at.

Carrazzo from Browne imo

Armfield is one of my favourites, but is only in his first year.

Dunno about Hartlett and Jackson. Maybe a lack of class is a good description for Jackson, but what an engine. Hartlett's position I think is dependent on the trade opportunities and likelihood of snagging a KP, or maybe whether we keep Aisake or not.

Edwards I gave up on a long long time ago, but the fact he's kicked goals in his first 2 games says something, but imo he lacks a bit of heart/ mongrel. Has potential, but we can't afford to kep em all, we must entertain this years draft and trade period.


What problem do you have with Browne, Bondi?

I'm tipping a big 2nd year for Steven after a rest and a full preseason ..will surpass Carrotts very quickly IMO :wink:

Edwards is still young enough to persist with for another year and I'd keep Harts as well for another year ..Jacko Benji and Blackers might be in trouble. I'll be filthy if Ratts shows Pfeiff the door.


Agree with Browne. He'll come on nicely and has skills that Carrazzo doesn't. There is nothing in Edwards worth persisting with. He doesn't have the mongrel or intensity for AFL, and doesn't have the magic you need in a key forward.
Author:  klakker [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:49 am ]
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Agree nytdog . The 8 "outs" look right . . Allows us to bring up Jammo and Jacobs , and draft 6 new guys . I'd also try to trade Russell for a big , experienced ruckman , but realise that won't be easy to do .
Author:  blueboy23 [ Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:18 pm ]
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imo my squad for 09 and beyond,

bower jamison browne
scotland austin waite
simpson gibbs stevens
walker kreuzer russell
betts fevola houla

hampson judd murphy

anderson hadley armfield cloke
emg, hartlett joseph sammy.j wiggins hill


gone imo; saddington, ackland, bannister, jackson, blackwell, benjamin and A o'hailpin

not sure on; edwards, ellard, fisher and S o'hailpin

i hope the blues pick up someone like warnock, kosi, boyle, r.murphy or a.hansen etc etc

bulldogs picked up hudson and welsh the tigers picked up mitch morton there the kind of players we lack. we will pick up hurley with our first pick imo.
Author:  bondiblue [ Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:00 pm ]
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budzy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
nytdog wrote:
FB: Paul Bower; Michael Jamison; Brett Thornton

HB: Shaun Grigg; Jarrad Waite; Heath Scotland

C: Nick Stevens; Marc Murphy; Kade Simpson

HF: Ryan Houlihan; Matthew Kreuzer; Brad Fisher

FF: Eddie Betts; Brendan Fevola; Andrew Walker

R: Shaun Hampson; Bryce Gibbs; Chris Judd

INT: Cameron Cloke; Steven Browne; Richard Hadley; Setanta O'hAilpin

EMERGENCIES and DEPTH: Jordan Russell; Mark Austin; Dennis Armfield; Simon Wiggins; Andrew Carrazzo; Jordan Bannister; Darren Pfeiffer; Adam Bentick; Joe Anderson

Gone:
Jason Saddington (good career, time to hang it up)
Cain Ackland (soft and should never have played for the blues)
Adam Hartlett (unfortunate but his body will not hold up)
Jake Edwards (one trick poney)
Luke Blackwell (a real shame, would like to see him stay)
Clint Benjamin (shown nothing)
Ryan Jackson (unfortunate, lacks the same class as our other midfielders)
Aisake O'hAilpin (??? completely wasted talent! hope gets another chance)


IMO Fantastic post nytdog, and really good team; representative of where we're at.

Carrazzo from Browne imo

Armfield is one of my favourites, but is only in his first year.

Dunno about Hartlett and Jackson. Maybe a lack of class is a good description for Jackson, but what an engine. Hartlett's position I think is dependent on the trade opportunities and likelihood of snagging a KP, or maybe whether we keep Aisake or not.

Edwards I gave up on a long long time ago, but the fact he's kicked goals in his first 2 games says something, but imo he lacks a bit of heart/ mongrel. Has potential, but we can't afford to kep em all, we must entertain this years draft and trade period.


What problem do you have with Browne, Bondi?

I'm tipping a big 2nd year for Steven after a rest and a full preseason ..will surpass Carrotts very quickly IMO :wink:

Edwards is still young enough to persist with for another year and I'd keep Harts as well for another year ..Jacko Benji and Blackers might be in trouble. I'll be filthy if Ratts shows Pfeiff the door.


I don't have a problem with Browne at all. I want to keep him unless the Warnock deal requires pick 24 and Browne instead of pick 6. But that's not a suggestion, it's my position if that situation arises.

For the BP role, I prefer Armfield to Browne as stated before; I admired the job Army did on Rioli in the last round.

At present, and highly likely in 2009, Carrazzo will be ahead of Browne, but there are signs to suggest he can replicate Carrazzo's feats and ability, and age certainly suggests there will be a time where he surpasses Carrots.

I have to say the similarities, between the two, also exists with their disposal because I've seen enough of Browne to believe his kicking is not what many posters perceive it is, although better than Carrots'. I think Carrots will always have the height and weight advantage in the clinches over Browne.

I too would like to see us persist with Hartlett and Edwards, as for Pfieffer, I'm not fussed as you.

I really want Warnock. He's the missing piece of my puzzle. Whilst I'm really happy with the list and it's balance, I have had a gap in the ruck all year, and believe if we can cover this (and it just may happen to be with Warnock), then I think the KP positions will evolve and improve with the stocks we have.
Author:  Jarz [ Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:22 pm ]
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FB: B. Thornton M. Jamison P. Bower
CHB: S. Grigg J. Waite H. Scotland
C: K. Simpson B. Gibbs N. Stevens
CHF: R. Houlihan M. Kreuzer A. Walker
FF: E. Betts B. Fevola B. Fisher
FOL: C. Cloke C. Judd M. Murphy
INT: S. Hampson A. Carrazzo R. Hadley J. Russell
Author:  blueboy23 [ Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:56 pm ]
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09 imo;
bower jamison browne
scotland waite austin
simpson gibbs stevens
walker kreuzer hadley
betts fevola cloke

warnock judd murphy

armfield hampson russell grigg

emgs; anderson hartlett joseph sammy j edwards hill hurley [pick 6]

gone imo; saddington ackland bannister jackson blackwell a o'hailpin benjamin

fisher, bentick, thornton and maybe carrazzo could be used as trade bait?
thornton for a 2nd round pick to hawthorn?. fisher for a 2nd round pick to the saints? pick 24, bentick and carrazzo to freo for warnock? blues pick up hurley with pick 6? [chb in the making]. blues use one or two second round picks to pick up a ready made chf?[ash hansen, kosi, mitch clarke ?]
sounds good in theory
Author:  DownUnderChick [ Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:00 pm ]
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blueboy23 wrote:
09 imo;
bower jamison browne
scotland waite austin
simpson gibbs stevens
walker kreuzer hadley
betts fevola cloke

warnock judd murphy

armfield hampson russell grigg

emgs; anderson hartlett joseph sammy j edwards hill hurley [pick 6]

gone imo; saddington ackland bannister jackson blackwell a o'hailpin benjamin

fisher, bentick, thornton and maybe carrazzo could be used as trade bait?
thornton for a 2nd round pick to hawthorn?. fisher for a 2nd round pick to the saints? pick 24, bentick and carrazzo to freo for warnock? blues pick up hurley with pick 6? [chb in the making]. blues use one or two second round picks to pick up a ready made chf?[ash hansen, kosi, mitch clarke ?]
sounds good in theory


Banno resigned for another year, so not going to get delisted.

Where is Edwards on your list?
Author:  Rucci15 [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:47 am ]
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Jarz wrote:
FB: B. Thornton M. Jamison P. Bower
CHB: S. Grigg J. Waite H. Scotland
C: K. Simpson B. Gibbs N. Stevens
CHF: R. Houlihan M. Kreuzer A. Walker
FF: E. Betts B. Fevola B. Fisher
FOL: C. Cloke C. Judd M. Murphy
INT: S. Hampson A. Carrazzo R. Hadley J. Russell



Jarz i do not think you are far off the mark.

Mine would be.

Thornton Jamison Bower

Grigg Waite Scotland

Simpson Gibbs Stevens

Walker Kruezer Houlihan

Betts Fevola Cloke


1st Ruck Warnock Judd Murphy


Int: Armfield Russell Carrazzo Hadley


Emg: Fisher, Hammer, Browne, Bentick, S O'Hailpin


I have presumed we pick up Warnock if not then a straight swap with Hammer.

I would like to see Fisher and Bentick offered as trade bait. I like these 2 blokes but i dont think they are in our future.

I am bemused that Edwards and Bannister got signed up again. I think all signs are leadint to a very quiet trade period for the blues with only one trade involving Warnock.

Delsitings will be: A. O'Hailpin, Saddington, Ackland, Benjamin (if they cant trade him), Blackwell (unfortunately)
Author:  MoriBlue [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:34 pm ]
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I have presumed we pick up Warnock if not then a straight swap with Hammer


I bloody well hope not.
Losing Hammer would ruin my year.
Author:  jake_h03 [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:56 pm ]
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MoriBlue wrote:
Quote:
I have presumed we pick up Warnock if not then a straight swap with Hammer


I bloody well hope not.
Losing Hammer would ruin my year.


I think rucci meant if we do not get Warnock, Hammer would be a straight swap IN for Warnock out, rather than being an emegency :wink:
Author:  MoriBlue [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:22 pm ]
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jake_h03 wrote:
MoriBlue wrote:
Quote:
I have presumed we pick up Warnock if not then a straight swap with Hammer


I bloody well hope not.
Losing Hammer would ruin my year.


I think rucci meant if we do not get Warnock, Hammer would be a straight swap IN for Warnock out, rather than being an emegency :wink:


Praise Jebus!
Author:  blueboy23 [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:13 pm ]
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down under chick,
where is edwards on my list? try in the emg!
banno signed up for another great!!!!!!
sorry to say but imo browne, armfield and anderson should be named before bannister! i believe bannister has had a good go and others should play before him imo. also heard on sen on the run home that warnock wants to come to carlton next year and has asked freo to do a deal! pick 24 and maybe a player.
Author:  DownUnderChick [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:33 pm ]
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blueboy23 wrote:
down under chick,
where is edwards on my list? try in the emg!
banno signed up for another great!!!!!!
sorry to say but imo browne, armfield and anderson should be named before bannister! i believe bannister has had a good go and others should play before him imo. also heard on sen on the run home that warnock wants to come to carlton next year and has asked freo to do a deal! pick 24 and maybe a player.


apologies blueboy - i didn't see his name in the emg.
Author:  cj69 [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:51 pm ]
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Ratts lineup.
Loose man in defence & an extra mid with a four man forward line.

Backline:
Anderson Bower Jamison
Waite
Walker Austin Grigg

Mids:
Warnock Judd Carrazzo
Simpson Gibbs Stevens Murphy

Forwards:
Betts Cloke
Ballantyne Fevola

Int: Kruezer Hadley Hurley Browne Houlihan Bannister Scotland

Other Possibles: Cornelius Russell Hampson Armfield
Author:  Humpers [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:55 pm ]
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cj69 wrote:
Ratts lineup.
Loose man in defence & an extra mid with a four man forward line.

Backline:
Anderson Bower Jamison
Waite
Walker Austin Grigg

Mids:
Warnock Judd Carrazzo
Simpson Gibbs Stevens Murphy

Forwards:
Betts Cloke
Ballantyne Fevola

Int: Kruezer Hadley Hurley Browne Houlihan Bannister Scotland

Other Possibles: Cornelius Russell Hampson Armfield


Nice side cj69 but I'd like to see Thornton in there somewhere.
Author:  Jarusa [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:26 pm ]
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It's pretty simple, our best 22 is our best 22.
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