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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:13 am 
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carntheblues wrote:
My initial thoughts:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Fisher
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Gibbons

So basically no new players apart from Doc in our best 22.
If that's the case, the trade period was indeed a bust.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:13 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
My initial thoughts:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Fisher
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Gibbons

So basically no new players apart from Doc in our best 22.
If that's the case, the trade period was indeed a bust.


Is that the case?

Betts ... future 4th
Martin ... free
Newnes ... free

Kept all our 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks for 2019 and 2020.

Missed out on Papley and Cognilio ... and so did every other team other than their current teams.

Is that a bust in your opinion?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:03 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
My initial thoughts:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Fisher
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Gibbons

So basically no new players apart from Doc in our best 22.
If that's the case, the trade period was indeed a bust.


Is that the case?

Betts ... future 4th
Martin ... free
Newnes ... free

Kept all our 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks for 2019 and 2020.

Missed out on Papley and Cognilio ... and so did every other team other than their current teams.

Is that a bust in your opinion?


This is the best 22 thread. The players we missed out on aren't available for selection so don't warrant discussion. Lets keep it to those available shall we?
If none of those we got is in our best 22, yes, it was a bust.
What's the point of paying someone a million dollars for not playing? We could have let him into the PSD without that hanging over our heads.
What's the point of getting Eddie if he isn't going to play? We could have got him as a development coach.
What's the point of getting Newnes if he isn't going to play? We could have left him at StK.

We might have got them for virtually nothing but we are paying them big dough.

I figure that about two million a year for three players who aren't in our best 22 would be a bust. Yes. I'm sure you would agree.

It was more a hypothetical comment on that particular best 22 btw. You have been very angry of late. You need to calm down. :razz:

I don't think it will look like that.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:11 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
My initial thoughts:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Fisher
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Gibbons

So basically no new players apart from Doc in our best 22.
If that's the case, the trade period was indeed a bust.


Is that the case?

Betts ... future 4th
Martin ... free
Newnes ... free

Kept all our 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks for 2019 and 2020.

Missed out on Papley and Cognilio ... and so did every other team other than their current teams.

Is that a bust in your opinion?


This is the best 22 thread. The players we missed out on aren't available for selection so don't warrant discussion. Lets keep it to those available shall we?
If none of those we got is in our best 22, yes, it was a bust.
What's the point of paying someone a million dollars for not playing? We could have let him into the PSD without that hanging over our heads.
What's the point of getting Eddie if he isn't going to play? We could have got him as a development coach.
What's the point of getting Newnes if he isn't going to play? We could have left him at StK.

We might have got them for virtually nothing but we are paying them big dough.

I figure that about two million a year for three players who aren't in our best 22 would be a bust. Yes. I'm sure you would agree.

It was more a hypothetical comment on that particular best 22 btw. You have been very angry of late. You need to calm down. :razz:

I don't think it will look like that.


You're funny. Don't go changing.

I know where you are coming from. I knew you knew it was only a POV of one's Best 22 and your comment based on that alone.

I don't know how anyone knows if Martin Betts Newnes will or will not make best 22, so its a bit too early to judge imo.

I have a feeling we will get more than one year from Betts, let alone play a huge role in the forwardline in 2020.
I can't see Martin being a bust, but we will have to wait and see. These are just feelings and nothing substantial.

I think the main point I pick up from your position, and many other posters is SOS failed to pick up a bonafide star as a FA in the last 2 years, and failed to entice a star with 2 round 1 picks at his disposal.

The return of Doc is a good start, moving forward, but we already had him.

I really 'hope' Betts and Martin light up our forwardline, and Newnes is the steady running machine with good skills we add to the best 22, otherwise, the trade period relied on pick 9, and the return of our other 8 injured players... and the kids get another preseason in them ... and a few of the kids are no longer kids and they step up.

I have a good feeling going into 2020. No one wanted to leave the club, and players did want to come to Carlton.

Keep smiling :grin: Go Blues.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:30 am 
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..is the footy public expecting too much from SOS?, in regards to not landing the star player.. ....we have been a crap side for half a dozen years..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:13 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..is the footy public expecting too much from SOS?, in regards to not landing the star player.. ....we have been a crap side for half a dozen years..

Yeah I think so. It’s changed a little bit now that there are some positive signs and the list has improved (thanks to sos), but a side from more cash why would a talented player go to a team that has performed poorly year after year?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:09 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
My initial thoughts:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Fisher
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Gibbons

So basically no new players apart from Doc in our best 22.
If that's the case, the trade period was indeed a bust.



Fair point however the trade period is also about increasing depth so that we can cover injuries better than we have in previous years. I see Docherty replacing Newman but conceding your point I can see Eddie replacing Gibbons and Newnes replacing Fisher. The side for round 1 then becomes:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Newnes
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Betts


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:38 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
My initial thoughts:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Fisher
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Gibbons

So basically no new players apart from Doc in our best 22.
If that's the case, the trade period was indeed a bust.


Anyone who thinks Betts isn't in our best 22 is dreaming.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:56 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
My initial thoughts:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Fisher
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Gibbons

So basically no new players apart from Doc in our best 22.
If that's the case, the trade period was indeed a bust.


Anyone who thinks Betts isn't in our best 22 is dreaming.


Yeah but he only kicked 37 goals last year.

Now if he’d kicked 38...

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:37 am 
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B: Newman Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Simpson
C: Walsh Cripps Newnes
HF: Cunners McKay Martin
F: Betts Charlie McGovern
R: Kreuzer Setterfield Murphy
IC: Plowman Ed SPS Gibbons
E: Casboult JSOS Dow


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:11 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
B: Newman Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Simpson
C: Walsh Cripps Newnes
HF: Cunners McKay Martin
F: Betts Charlie McGovern
R: Kreuzer Setterfield Murphy
IC: Plowman Ed SPS Gibbons
E: Casboult JSOS Dow


Swap Gibbons for Fisher and you’ve got my 22.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:29 am 
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cecil89 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
B: Newman Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Simpson
C: Walsh Cripps Newnes
HF: Cunners McKay Martin
F: Betts Charlie McGovern
R: Kreuzer Setterfield Murphy
IC: Plowman Ed SPS Gibbons
E: Casboult JSOS Dow


Swap Gibbons for Fisher and you’ve got my 22.


I find myself also thinking McGov will be better than Casboult but I am not entirely sure why.....based on actual last season form, as opposed to hopes for the future, Casboult was just terrific - not sure what the guy has to do to get a permanent spot in my thinking. Do you think it is because we haven't overcome historical frustration? Or is there evidence that Gov is currently a better player?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:51 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
My initial thoughts:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Fisher
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Gibbons

So basically no new players apart from Doc in our best 22.
If that's the case, the trade period was indeed a bust.


Anyone who thinks Betts isn't in our best 22 is dreaming.
It would be good if he wasn't.
But he is still there by a long shot

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:47 am 
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Walsh wrote:
B: Newman Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Simpson
C: Walsh Cripps Newnes
HF: Cunners McKay Martin
F: Betts Charlie McGovern
R: Kreuzer Setterfield Murphy
IC: Plowman Ed SPS Gibbons
E: Casboult JSOS Dow


Good selection, but who rucks while Kruezer rests?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:49 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
My initial thoughts:

Plowman Weitering Marchbank
Docherty Jones Simpson
Walsh Cripps Setterfield
JSOS C Curnow Fisher
McGovern McKay Cunningham

Kruezer Murphy E Curnow

Int: Casbolt SPS Dow Gibbons

So basically no new players apart from Doc in our best 22.
If that's the case, the trade period was indeed a bust.


Anyone who thinks Betts isn't in our best 22 is dreaming.
It would be good if he wasn't.
But he is still there by a long shot

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It will make interesting watching next season.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Plowman Jones Marchbank
Docherty Weitering Newman
Newnes Cripps SPS
Martin McKay Gibbons
Betts Curnow McGovern
Kreuzer Walsh Murphy
Curnow Setterfield Simpson Dow
EMG: Stocker Kennedy Fisher


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Where has jimae’s team board gone? Can anyone make a similar one up?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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F-me there's some talent on this list now :eek:

Fit, firing and playing for each other... next few years gonna be a heck of a ride.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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carntheblues wrote:
Walsh wrote:
B: Newman Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Simpson
C: Walsh Cripps Newnes
HF: Cunners McKay Martin
F: Betts Charlie McGovern
R: Kreuzer Setterfield Murphy
IC: Plowman Ed SPS Gibbons
E: Casboult JSOS Dow


Good selection, but who rucks while Kruezer rests?


McKay.
We started 2019 with this same setup. Once Curnow got injured we brought Casboult in though.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Arnhem blues wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
B: Newman Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Simpson
C: Walsh Cripps Newnes
HF: Cunners McKay Martin
F: Betts Charlie McGovern
R: Kreuzer Setterfield Murphy
IC: Plowman Ed SPS Gibbons
E: Casboult JSOS Dow


Swap Gibbons for Fisher and you’ve got my 22.


I find myself also thinking McGov will be better than Casboult but I am not entirely sure why.....based on actual last season form, as opposed to hopes for the future, Casboult was just terrific - not sure what the guy has to do to get a permanent spot in my thinking. Do you think it is because we haven't overcome historical frustration? Or is there evidence that Gov is currently a better player?


McGovern is better for our structure, in my opinion. He’s more mobile than Casboult and helps ensure our forward half is not too top heavy.
I find myself wondering whether Casboult is a better option than Jones down back, but can’t quite convince myself of it.

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